My first Cycle

How long have you been following this training routine? Also what times are you training.. I followed DJ's diet 101 stickies and my diet turned out ok for now.

Oosthuizen wrote: plus minus an hour i try to work it trough quick and i gym at a verry quiet gym so i do not have to wait on other people normally max 1:30h

and i must add i am not really going for a massive body builder look i am more going for the underwear model look that is also why i am doing a cutting cycle and not a bulk ( or rather that is my motivation behinde my whole dieet and cycle )

Still need to bulk in order to maximize muscle gains unless your going for the anorexic 12 inch arms look. You've obviously got money so put it into your diet rather than gear, once your getting results from your diet then consider gear.

Ok another thing i forgot to mention this is the last i swear , i started out on a 26% bodyfat on this dieet for about 4 months now and on this training progranm for about 2 months.

@Juice
So if i got this right
Drop BF to 15%
Take anavar from week 6 not all the way ( Still wondering why )
Get better eating program
Simplify training

Any sugestions on cardio?

@Koe007 what changes do you reccomend? regarding your previous post

Oosthuizen wrote: Ok another thing i forgot to mention this is the last i swear , i started out on a 26% bodyfat on this dieet for about 4 months now and on this training progranm for about 2 months.

@Juice
So if i got this right
Drop BF to 15%
Take anavar from week 6 not all the way ( Still wondering why )
Get better eating program
Simplify training

Any sugestions on cardio?

Yes, I suggest reading these:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...roids/14-oxandrolone
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...on/56925-dieting-101
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...on/81698-dieting-102
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...eating-your-own-diet

Cardio: Treadmill Walking and HIIT

Hiit while cyceling ECA?

Sort your diet out before fat burners

Might as well just finish it, (there goes karma). But ya, do anavar from week 1-14 and get yourself a lekka liver supp and get yourself a good diet.

Good luck;)

I went to the store today and bought Holotropic Liver plus ( Milk Thistle ) how many mg must i take?

Oosthuizen wrote: I went to the store today and bought Holotropic Liver plus ( Milk Thistle ) how many mg must i take?

Take it as directed on the bottle, so are you stopping your cycle?

Ive decided to continue with it but take the advice you guys gave me edit my training dieet and maybe my cycle a bit aswell also added liver supps getting some hairloss prevention meds tomorrow and getting zinplex and a back scrub to try and combat zits trying to take in more water to and upping my cardio to mornings and afternoons

Oosthuizen bud you really should listen when you are getting advice from so many guys who have been doing this as a lifestyle for years. You are rushing things and should sort out your diet first, and educate yourself before your first cycle.

You only get one first cycle and at 21% bf this is the wrong time to start. You will get MUCH better results off your first cycle if your bodyfat is lower. Nevermind less side effects. Using winny, anavar and proviron together is overkill for a first cycle AND they are all hepatotoxic. Milk thistle/silymarin is also more effective if you start taking it before you start a cycle.

Well done on dropping 5% bf already. But if you can't find the determination to drop at least 5% more before doing AAS, how are you going to have the determination to struggle through PCT and then maintain what you have started?

It is already hard enough for guys who are used to following a strict diet and fitness regiment for years to maintain results from a cycle and stay heathy. You should give yourself some more time to prepare. You will be glad you did.

I just wish I had a local forum like this when I started. You have everything you need to know on this forum! All the best with whatever you decide.

mmm. oosie. moenie vir die pelle by die gym luister nie. hulle praat 99% kak. kry jou dieet in plek. lees diet 102 en 101. moenie n bigshot probeer wees nie. wag eers en doen dit reg. los jou ego by die deur as jy op die forum kom en jy sal moer baie goed leer. wag net 3 maande dan probeer jy weer.

If your going to continue, take the anavar for 8 weeks max, Also you should be taking ample joint support

What joint support do you have in mind ??

spoonfeeding. mmmmmmmmmmm. google is very informative

gab wrote: spoonfeeding. mmmmmmmmmmm. google is very informative

No the reason for me asking is because the ppl on here are experinced and would know what it the best to use

Just came form the BIO i am down to 19% BF weight still the same tho