additions to cycle

Ok this is the current cycle i am on
Just started week 4

1- 4 weeks dbol front load 40mg
1-10 week test cyp 500mg per week

waiting period 4 weeks then pct

HCG
Clomid
Nolvadex

Was thinking of adding proviron and anavar for the bridge before pct starts , and possibly some clen?

What u guys think , was thinking anavar instead of whinny because its milder on the liver.

According to my wife this is my first and last cycle so i want to make it count...........we will see about that one though !!

philip wrote: Ok this is the current cycle i am on
Just started week 4

1- 4 weeks dbol front load 40mg
1-10 week test cyp 500mg per week

waiting period 4 weeks then pct

HCG
Clomid
Nolvadex

Was thinking of adding proviron and anavar for the bridge before pct starts , and possibly some clen?

What u guys think , was thinking anavar instead of whinny because its milder on the liver.

According to my wife this is my first and last cycle so i want to make it count...........we will see about that one though !!

Extend your bridge to 6 weeks and run Anavar at min 60mg/day with 60mg Proviron/day.
Clen 80-120mcg/day 2 weeks on 2 weeks off alternatively stay on and use Zetofen 15ml at night.

Koe007 wrote:

philip wrote: Ok this is the current cycle i am on
Just started week 4

1- 4 weeks dbol front load 40mg
1-10 week test cyp 500mg per week

waiting period 4 weeks then pct

HCG
Clomid
Nolvadex

Was thinking of adding proviron and anavar for the bridge before pct starts , and possibly some clen?

What u guys think , was thinking anavar instead of whinny because its milder on the liver.

According to my wife this is my first and last cycle so i want to make it count...........we will see about that one though !!

Extend your bridge to 6 weeks and run Anavar at min 60mg/day with 60mg Proviron/day.
Clen 80-120mcg/day 2 weeks on 2 weeks off alternatively stay on and use Zetofen 15ml at night.

Cool so i run prov and anavar for six weeks ? Is 4 weeks not long enough ?
I belive you can stop anvar a couple days before you start pct ?

Your best waiting time for Cyp is 36 days according to the PCT protocol so at 6 weeks you will be waiting an extra week, not sure what effect that will have if any.

My experience with Var is it takes a while to kick in. If you were going to use something for 4 or 5 weeks wouldn't it be better to use Winny, just in terms of getting the best impact? If you decide to wait six weeks then Var should be fine.

They are both hard on the liver, just use the best liver supps you can and limit the amount of time you use them for.

How is your cycle going so far?

philip wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

philip wrote: Ok this is the current cycle i am on
Just started week 4

1- 4 weeks dbol front load 40mg
1-10 week test cyp 500mg per week

waiting period 4 weeks then pct

HCG
Clomid
Nolvadex

Was thinking of adding proviron and anavar for the bridge before pct starts , and possibly some clen?

What u guys think , was thinking anavar instead of whinny because its milder on the liver.

According to my wife this is my first and last cycle so i want to make it count...........we will see about that one though !!

Extend your bridge to 6 weeks and run Anavar at min 60mg/day with 60mg Proviron/day.
Clen 80-120mcg/day 2 weeks on 2 weeks off alternatively stay on and use Zetofen 15ml at night.

Cool so i run prov and anavar for six weeks ? Is 4 weeks not long enough ?
I belive you can stop anvar a couple days before you start pct ?

Optimal results from Var for me were from week 4-6 so 6 IMO would be ideal.
Yes you can stop it I think 3 days before PCT.
Anavar is not harsh on the liver at all I had Bloods to prove that. I ran it for 9 weeks at 80mg/day and very slightly raised liver values. I ran Liv-52 throughout.

Ja i have been warned against using whinny after having used dbol on the same cycle , being my fisrt cycle i dont know what effect the dbol might have done to my liver ,,,rather not take the chace. Ok think i will go with prov and anvar for 5-6 weeks during bridge!

@mfezdro Up 5kg on cycle so far but no gain in the last week that i have been off dbol, hoping i am gaining muscle and losing water ?

hmmm just had a look at the anvar pricing !!! dunno if i can afford 6 weeks!!

philip wrote: hmmm just had a look at the anvar pricing !!! dunno if i can afford 6 weeks!!

Anavar is expensive bro, consider bridging with winstrol

cost and liver tox aside which is better for gains whinny or anavar?

Winny works quicker and gives nice hardness, but after using Anavar I prefer the look it gives me with hardness, an almost sculpted frame. LP Anavar for me hands down.

@Philip

5kg in 4 weeks, nice. Probably a fair amount of water there from the dbol. I only really feel Test Cyp from week 4 anyway so you should start noticing some changes in muscle gain from now.

philip wrote: cost and liver tox aside which is better for gains whinny or anavar?

Winny will give more gains

AAS wrote:

philip wrote: cost and liver tox aside which is better for gains whinny or anavar?

Winny will give more gains

cool man just think the benifits might not be worth the risk .. if i can find the cash i will do anavar

Risk?

AAS wrote:

philip wrote: cost and liver tox aside which is better for gains whinny or anavar?

Winny will give more gains

i dont agree and never will agree with that statement, if you look at the anabolic andgrogenic ratio of anavar vs winstrol you will see that anavar is way more anabolic than winstrol, it also helps with decreasing thyroid binding globulin levels which will relate to higher t3 uptake. which means you will burn more fat with anavar than you will with winstrol.

winstrols anabolic/androgenic ratio is 320:30
anavars anabolic/androgrenic ratio is 320-630 24

so as you can see the results from anavar are much greater than winstrol... in more ways than one.

philip wrote: cool man just think the benifits might not be worth the risk .. if i can find the cash i will do anavar

I wouldn't say winny is risky. Its quite hard on the joints.

anavar and winstrol are both hard on the joints,no one is better than the other for helping with joint problems. arthroguard,omega3 at 9000mg a day should help with the lubrication of the joints.

Safeness of 17aa steroids on the liver is all relative...
At 20mg a day of oxandrolone you will not complain about liver issues, but then on 20mg a day of stanozolol you will not complain either. Take the dose of oxandrolone up to 40mg, or even 80mg (a more commone dose) then you start to see some serious liver damage.
ALL 17aa STEROIDS CAUSE LIVER DAMAGE. <-- (period)

Inja wrote: Safeness of 17aa steroids on the liver is all relative...
At 20mg a day of oxandrolone you will not complain about liver issues, but then on 20mg a day of stanozolol you will not complain either. Take the dose of oxandrolone up to 40mg, or even 80mg (a more commone dose) then you start to see some serious liver damage.
ALL 17aa STEROIDS CAUSE LIVER DAMAGE. <-- (period)

Ok so which one would you take then ?

Well personally I would take all of them, but for not more than 8 weeks (at a push, usually 4-6) and with an adequate break between (6 weeks at a push, usually betweem cycles). Your best bet bud is a blood test, before you start the orals again go and check your liver values, if they fine wack the oral and harden up.
Right now I am in love with Tbol at both beginning and end of the cycle.

All of them at different times for different reasons... Just to clarify.
Not all at once :blush:

Inja wrote: Well personally I would take all of them, but for not more than 8 weeks (at a push, usually 4-6) and with an adequate break between (6 weeks at a push, usually betweem cycles). Your best bet bud is a blood test, before you start the orals again go and check your liver values, if they fine wack the oral and harden up.
Right now I am in love with Tbol at both beginning and end of the cycle.

Shot now you just added a third drug to my list :silly:

I have to say I did Anavar at 80mg/day and it really put pressure on me. It was just to much, I eventually couldn't finish the course which was meant to be 8 weeks, quite long I know, and stopped around 5 weeks in. Var is really good but I personally can't do the levels that are suggested for optimum effect.
Having said that I am doing Tbol at 60mg/day now and think I could kick that to 80mg/day, but at a push only.

@Inja, I agree with you on Tbol, what dose do you take when bridging and for how long?

40-60 does me well before PCT. Hardens, good strength etc...
I'm usually not looking to pack on massive gains in those final weeks, just drop water and estrogen to ease into PCT, and up strength a little more to help me push cycle style weights in PCT and beyond. So I often do the 40, 280mg a week... I respond better to low dose Tbol than Dbol

I still have a couple weeks to see what the test cyp does for me so ill make a final decision later if i need it or not , if i do add another oral it will most likely be tbol and prov.
Shot for the advice inja you seem a strait up and down guy no bullshit or sugar coating.
cool!!!