Good old Deca Dbol stack

Hi Guys i intend to start with a deca dbol stack. My stats are as follows:

65kg, 168cm, age 26. Have been training for 5 years and had a few shortish (6wks) deca dbol stacks.

I would like to know if it is absolutely essential to use test with this cycle. I intend to use 300mg deca(pharma grade)week 1 -8 and 40mg dbol ed(first 4 weeks) and 40mg anavar or winny tabs ed from weeks 8 - 12. Then start immidiate PCT with clomid and HCG.

You know that commercial on tv, for fnb, where the kid stands there and says: Where did he come from... :ohmy:

1. You have a 'few' cycles behind you, yet you only weigh 65kg? Perhaps this can be down to your poor choice of cycles.

2. Your only running Deca for 6-8 weeks? Hmmm... You realise if your not front loading the Deca its only getting to appreciable levels at week 4.

3. You are doing 12 weeks of oral. Do you realise the stress this is putting on your liver? Are you even using liver support. This is the reason test is essential in this stack.

4. I have no doubt in my mind that given point 1, you do not know how to eat or train, and you should not be using gear in the first place.

1.The oral is for the first 4 weeks and the last 4. With a 4 week brake to help the liver recover.

2. I had a layoff of about 8 months and lost quite a bit of weight. That is why i want to cycle again to help me regain the weight i have lost. I am not jumping in immidiately with a cycle, i will wait till my strength levels are up close to where it used to be before i start the cycle.

3. I wanted to know if i have to use test with the deca and if 300mg pw is enough.

4. I made some good gains on the deca dbol stack in the past, over 6 weeks, the one mistake i did make, was not to go on PCT. I did maintain a lot of the gains i made, but it could have been better with a proper pct. BTW i started training at a weight of 48kg, so the 65kg is not bad concidering a have the metabolism of a catterpillar!

Cool man, rough morning, I should only post in the afternoons from now on Was in a uber hurry to...

When you've built up strength and some size again, then stack your Deca with Test. The gains will surprise you! These two compound really seem to have some synergy. You can still kickstart with Dbol.

Deca dose is good. Run 400mg - 500mg test per week. And run the test two weeks longer than the Deca. Lets say 12-13 weeks. Don't run the Deca for only 8 weeks, cause gains only come in around week 4/5. If you want you can throw the winnie in while the Deca clears...

Do PCT this time bro

PCT FTW!!!!

Not trying to be sarcastic but Deca Dick is no joyous event..... Test at 450-600mg PW should be fine when stacked with Deca. I prefer EQ but my next cycle will be a Test and Deca stack. I have seen some amazing stuff on those 2 compounds. When stacking the Deca with Test I would however reccomend a suitable AI......

Thanks guys i appreciate it.

I am a total newbie when it comes to underground stuff, (exept for dbol). I was also thinking of trying Equi in stead of the Deca, but i'm not to sure how safe it is, considering the fact that there is no human/pharma grade equipoise on the market. The only underground stuff that i have acess to is nomad and i'm not to keen for injection pain and abcesses(I've not heard the best things from their stuff).

With regard to the test, do you guys recommend Test enanthate(testoviron) or is there something else that would be better.(I don't like depo because of the 100mg/ml and with Sustanon your test levels will fluctuate to much)

Sorry, mabe i'm just to full of $hit but in the past few years i have made it my passion to read up on anabolics and their different effects and properties. This time i want to do everything right!

Well then I would recommend much more reading before you start your next cycle. Let me tell you nobody should be a newbie to gear before their first cycle and you've supposedly already done a few (poorly designed) ones. Some of the information that you are missing in your knowledge is freely available on the net.

For instance, for a long ester test you can use enanthate or cypionate. If you can only find 100mg/ml of the latter then get a new supplier. Suppliers are not hard to find (I have been through 5) but finding one you are truly comfortable with is.
Although many people think sustanon will give you irregular drug levels based on different calculations going around the net, the truth is sustanon was actually designed to keep ones test levels fairly constant. That was why they put so many esters in in the first place.

AS far as EQ goes, well I've never turned into a horse... And I never met anybody that did.

The pharma grade test that i was reffering to is depotrone and testoviron. I'm really not aware of any test cypionate(pharma) that is dosed higher than 100mg/ml. That is why i reffered to testoviron which is dosed at 250mg/ml.

Do you recon sustanon is a good choice then with a once weekly dose of 500mg in stead of 500mg test enanthate?

The positive thing with the equi is the increased appetite, which will help me a lot, as i'm not to fond of force feeding. From your experience what brand of equipoise is a good choice?

PGW - I had nice gains with equi and test E

Gotta go with Novice! on this one, do a forum search here on PGW.... very reputable and reliable

I have never used Sustanon so I will not be able comment but with regards to using Test Enanthate (the same probably goes for Cypionate), dividing your weekly dosage into 2 equal shots per week ( www.roidcalc.com/ ) keeps blood levels pretty consistent. I did a calc on this site for 500mg/wk Sust compared with 500mg/wk TestE in 250mg E3D/E4D weekly injections and the calculations came out more stable for the TestE............

Thanks guys i appreciate it. I have read a lot about PGW and i can't sy that that i read anything bad. I will definately consider ordering some PGW.

Yeah Sust was designed for weekly shots. It doesn't really matter if you use sust, testen or cyp in my opinion. We would all love to use pharma grade forever for safety sakes (I used pharma in the beginning to) but truth is they don't dose it high enough for recreational use. I was suggesting getting a legit UG supplier.

I use cyp and testen because I can't afford sust, and yeah 2xper week injects for these two are best.

inja i know its been up a while, but thats a nice avatar u got!!

jo1 wrote:

inja i know its been up a while, but thats a nice avatar u got!!

:woohoo: Shot bro
I came across it by accident on google and I was like hell yeah! :laugh:

Ceej wrote:

( www.roidcalc.com/ )

Came across roid calc on another forum as well. Also came across a PCT calc too www.bulkmuscle.com/pct/