Doses and choices

Hi there...I have been training for quite a number of years, and I don’t look too bad for 75kg...I actually get quite a lot of compliments with regards to Size vs. Weight
But I need to get a fuller look...I am not looking to become a monster in size (It’s not in my genes unfortunately, but does look awesome!)
I have stagnated in gains, even with a proper diet, pro-hormones and various supplements on the market.
 
I have not yet used any steroids, but I really want to...I know a lot of people will advise not to, but I have considered all the facts and heard all the opinions.
I joined the forum to do it the right way and get some advise.
 
Remember...I’m new to this and looking to fill out nicely, I also want to steer clear of high doses that result in bad skin, stretch marks and hectic sides.
 
Here is what I was thinking...not sure on the doses I should take, but here it is after some research on various sites (Mostly this one):
 
Pre-cycle and during: Proviron 25mg/day about 2 weeks before and continuous throughout course
Equipoise 400mg/week for 12 weeks for the positive Nitrogen effects, and increased appetite. I am sensitive to gynecomastia, and as per website article, this drug is ideal.  
Testoviron  (I have no clue on length of usage nor doses) -  as my base for testosterone as opposed to test prop (Which is apparently quite a painful and annoying injection and more frequent)
Anavar 50mg/day midst 12 week cycle of equi. Chose anavar for the fact that it does not aromatase, and like said on website for users with low BF for a shredded look.
 
And PCT with Novadex for about 30 days.
 
Total of 17 weeks:
Week1-2: Proviron
Week3-4: Proviron + Equi + Testoviron
Week5-12: Proviron + Equi + Testoviron + Anavar
Week13-14: Proviron + Equi + Testoviron + Novadex in week 14
Week15-17: Novadex
 
Thanks
New2this
 
 
 

Stick to test dbol and winni. No funny business. 500mg test c for 10weeks, dbol @40mg for the first 4, winni from week 10-14 and start pct 36 days after your last pin. Simple. You'll get a good 10-15kg out of it with an on point diet.

Thanks Jakes.

Anybody else?

agree with jakes there. dont complicate things too much for your first cycle.

btw, if you scared of stretch marks dont take roids and dont excersize, its part of growing bud, i love mine, gives me peasure looking at them because i know i did something right...

Etwa wrote: agree with jakes there. dont complicate things too much for your first cycle.

btw, if you scared of stretch marks dont take roids and dont excersize, its part of growing bud, i love mine, gives me peasure looking at them because i know i did something right...

Wish I had some. They look badass on the chest

Thanks for the replies. But I do have to disagree with you.
I know of plenty guys who are on some serious stuff, with not a single stretch mark.
I also certainly did not join the forum to be told not to excersize, or not to take roids.
I believe there are ways and means to get the gains without all the uglys like stretch marks.
For example: Jakes says in the same thread that he wishes he had some stretch marks...and surely with the advice he has given, and the fact that he has a sh1t load of posts on a steroid forum, he is no stranger to roids. So your proof is there...you can go there w/o the uglys...

Anybody else with any comments to my original thread? (Please take note of the reasons for choosing each particular drug)

i bet Jakes has some marks bud, if not he is a tiny bloke (which he is not). I also think its diffirent from person to person, but using gear will definately get you some marks because you grow so quickly. just my2c.

also, wrt your cycle, why not go for the basic advice we gave you? get your first cycle behind you and then start looking at other compounds. you will definately see great results with this as your first cycle.

I hear you guys. Thanks for the advice.

well let me chime in here, if u are have gyno issues,then a long ester testosterone such as testoviron is only going to make matters worse unless u have an AI(aromastise inhibitor) in the cycle,cos testosterone does aromatise to estrogen. so dump that, if you are using equipoise u cannot start a pct the week after your last shot,actually if u are using anything with a long ester such as enanthate,cyprionate,undeconate,deconate, you have to wait between 30 and 46 days before the esters have cleared in your system making sure there is less than 50mg of substance in your system. yes anavar doesnt aromatise,but running it in the middle of the cycle is not the best idea,in the waiting period of your last equipoise shot untill pct,you run anavar and provrion in this time to drop any water,harden up and still keep the body anabolic.

i dont quite know why you are running 2 weeks of proviron before the cycle starts.

your pct of nolvadex only isnt a pct.
you should use clomid,kessar,aromasin and hcg or even ovidrel,rather go for the ovidrel if your are gyno prone. the aromasin will stop any aromatisation as it is a suicide inhibitor.

personally i agree with the guys,if u are worried about stretch marks then stay natural as if u do grow quickly then u are going to be un happy.

if i was u i would run a test prop cycle with anavar and proviron and arimadex as all of the above u have mentioned will give u gyno issues and your cycle layout isnt the best

week 1-3
100mg test prop 3x a week
50mg proviron daily
1/2mg arimadex eod.
week
4-9
100mg test prop 3x a week
50mg anavar daily
50mg proviron daily
1/2mg arimadex eod.

week 10-11
50mg anavar daily
50mg proviron daily
1/2mg arimadex eod.

week 12
clomid 50mg 2x daily
week 13-14-15-16
20mg kessar
25iu Ovidrel eod.

New2this wrote: Thanks for the replies. But I do have to disagree with you.
I know of plenty guys who are on some serious stuff, with not a single stretch mark.
I also certainly did not join the forum to be told not to excersize, or not to take roids.
I believe there are ways and means to get the gains without all the uglys like stretch marks.
For example: Jakes says in the same thread that he wishes he had some stretch marks...and surely with the advice he has given, and the fact that he has a sh1t load of posts on a steroid forum, he is no stranger to roids. So your proof is there...you can go there w/o the uglys...

Anybody else with any comments to my original thread? (Please take note of the reasons for choosing each particular drug)

Grow quicker than your skin can stretch and you end up with strech marks - fact. You can try to rub some oils the pregnant women use for their stomachs maybe but the fact remains.

also it seems to me u have gotten nomad products.ditch those and use pgw.