Stupid question

This is probably a really stupid question but its got me wondering. A guy mailed me for cycle advice and his question was

"Hi bro,

I am looking to do my third cycle and I don't know which option to take. Should I do a lean mass cycle or an all out bulk cycle? If I do a lean mass cycle and drop bodyfat, will the overall "muscle gain" from the cycle be the same as when I do a bulking cycle? I know that the bulking cycle will give me more mass but I am looking for muscle gain.

Regards"

It got me wondering, would doing a lean mass cycle result in the same "muscle gains" than a bulking cycle excluding the fat gain from the bulking cycle? What do you guys think about this?

Told him I'd get back to him. So its between an anavar, equi and test cycle or test and deca.

Test and deca will give him more muscle along with the unwanted fat and water. I remember in the old articles 00pump/admin included each substances androgen to something (forgot what exactly) ratio which gives an indication of how more potent each drug is compared to others. Maybe they can please clear that up when they get the chance

Thanks DG.

Still doesn't make complete sense to me. I gained an extremely good amount of muscle on a lean bulk (equi and test) so that's why I was wondering. @DG what if you lean bulk with a drug like trenbolan enanthant (and testosterone) which is probably best best drug for muscle gains and fat burning?

I don't get everyones logic, lean bulk vs all out bulk comes down to 1 thing : diet,the water retention might be less with certain substances but test and deca won't make u gain fat unless u are eating excess calories, I mean let's do this guy a.) Takes 600mg test en + 350mg of deca and eats 3000 calories a day. Guy b.) Takes 640mg of super test and 350mg equi and eats 3500 calories, now they are using 900-940mg of gear a week,just cos guy a is using test en and deca means he is going to gain more fat than guy b.) Using equi and super test. More than likely the deca will be a leaner gain if he is eating 300 calories extra than he needs vs guy b eating 800 calories extra...the water retention will differ but just cos he uses deca over equi doesn't mean he is going to get fatter.

I understand that dj - thanks. Can you answer the original question? If he ran a cycle taking maintenance level calories will the total amount of muscle gain be similar if you take into account the drop in bodyfat? (The fat is replaced with muscle )

Do u know I have seen guys do contest prep and get shredded on 750mg of test cyp a week,yet I have seen guys gain 15kgs in 10 weeks on the same dose, same training style, what differs? Cardio and diet.

Depends on the overall amount of anabolics used, so deca and test vs equi and test gains will be relatively the same, test and tren will have a massive difference in gains due to the highly anabolic and androgonic ratio of tren. But then there is the combining of multiple compounds that might make things differ still at the same mg a week for instance 300mg NPP and 350mg equi and 640mg super test, or 700mg of equi and 600mg test en a week. Same amount of anabolics used weekly, I personally feel that combining of 3 different compounds will have a greater yield with a better result in the end.

So the overall muscle gain from a lean bulk will be similar to a normal bulk? I'm not going to recommend tren as he isn't experienced enough yet. Ill recommend the npp, test equi option. Thanks bud.

jakes wrote: So the overall muscle gain from a lean bulk will be similar to a normal bulk? I'm not going to recommend tren as he isn't experienced enough yet. Ill recommend the npp, test equi option. Thanks bud.

You dont even need EQ - my gains on Prop + NPP were clean with zero water. Lovely stuff that NPP.

I like the additional effects it has, I'll be using npp next year. Can't wait, maybe it will become one of my favorite drugs too. Only difference is ill be running it with test enanthant and a good dose of equi with adex during cycle

Yeah agree that it comes down to diet usually. Most people who go on sust+deca cycles usually go on a see-food (eat food) diet which would explain why most of people claim such compounds bring extra fat and water. But still yet to see anyone here recommend deca ahead of equi in a lean bulk cycle though...

Deadgoat wrote: Yeah agree that it comes down to diet usually. Most people who go on sust+deca cycles usually go on a see-food (eat food) diet which would explain why most of people claim such compounds bring extra fat and water. But still yet to see anyone here recommend deca ahead of equi in a lean bulk cycle though...

I prefer Deca over EQ.

Now where did i read that most succesful cutting cycles are stacked with Testosterone, 19-nor, and DHT???

it is true that jack,works well hence the tren and masteron is a winner combo pre comp

Won't argue that deca is stronger than equi bud equi isn't as hard on your system. I was 20 when I used equi for the first time. Felt I was too young for deca.

I'm a Equi fan ,but I think it is goal dependant. The deca I used a few years ago was Nomad labs deca 300 and didn't show results as expected..Maybe that's the reason I don't like it that much..

Yeah man, sunflower oil would have given you better results. Never use that shit

Ya I found out the hard way.. Hahaha jakes u make me laugh sometimes!

Lol laughing is better than crying. If I had to meet the guys that make nomad labs I'd start giving klaps for christmas. I swear they make the shit in their moms spageti pots at home.