Lets do this properly!!!

Hi guys pls help me finish this cycle

Gonna be my 3rd cycle and wanna run a big year for myself!!!

Been dieting like a Demon and up'd my food in take already wanna get started in Jan already

16 Week Cycle

Test En 600mg p/week then up to 900-1000mg
Equi 350mg p/week then up it to 700mg for the first 6 weeks
Tren En 300mg p/week then up to 600mg
Winnie 50mg every 4 days fot the last 4 weeks

What you guys think also the thing is i am seriously prone to gyno sides so what would you guys reckon my PCT should be and when do a start with it

Thanks Guys

Run you test and equi for 12 weeks. Front load with an oral.
Run last four weeks with Prop, Masteron and Tren Ace, use oral winny at a low dose of 0.2mg p/kg body weight.

This is a great 16 week cycle and running GH along side will give you awesome results, if you can afford it.
First 12 weeks inject 2 x p/week
Last 4 weeks inject EOD.

I would use Arimidex on cycle for anti-e.

PCT would be Ovidrel,Clomid Therapy and Aromasin or Letrozole if you can't get Aromasin.
I would also start with Ovidrel maintenance from week 6 or so @ 500iU 3 x p/week.

Netro, you guys need to put these cycles up on the sample cycles. Add some variations for those who can afford some bells and whistles.

Adding some of the thougts why the chosen compounds are used would also add greatly.

I will bud, that is my new years resolution to you guys.

I will comment on the compounds tomorrow and explain the synergies and why I stacked it like I did.

reading on that post that doctari posted up the otherday i am considering this for my next cycle

test enanthate 600mg/weekly,
masteron 300mg weekly
equipoise 350mg weekly all for 10 weeks
then 4 weeks of masteron test prop and tren acetate...but this will only be in 3 months time

DJ - i did 4 jugs of Nomad Nomasteron?? last year this time. I was impressed at the time but after going on NPP/TestProp Marh/April/May'June last year changed my mind on all expectations.

I will re-evaluate the cycle im planning to incorporate Masteron towards the end of the cycle, but then again i want to be off the REALLY androgenic stuff at least a month before the end.

Check what i'm planning: - GH ASIDE.

4 weeks front load
Anabol 5mg X 8 = 40mg / day. 4 X 7 = 28 X 8 = 224 tabs

15 weeks
Testen300 2ml/week= 600mg/week = 30ml
Deca350 1.33ml/Week = 466.66mg/week
Equi350 1.33ml/week = 466.66mg/week

4 weeks
Prop100 2ml EOD = 5ml/Week = 500mg/week = 20ml
Winstrol 50mg/day = 10 X 5 mg / day - > 28 days X 10 = 280 tabs

19 weeks + 3 weeks PCT = 21 weeks
Proviron 50mg/day = 2 tabs/day = 20/10days = 21X7 = 147 days = 15 boxes

Docs HCG post affected me so i'll be blowing a lot on that. The Letro/Bromo will be at hand.

And then of course the Masteron - is there a surplus? why trigger all these emotions so close to the time i should've made my mind up?

No Surplus, just think that and Primobolan are 2 of the most underutilized compounds around due to lack of knowledge I assume. Think Primo is more cost, but still a great compound if you can get the good stuff and afford the price tag.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Proviron 50mg/day = 2 tabs/day = 20/10days = 21X7 = 147 days = 15 boxes

well buying 15 boxes of proviron in my opionion is a waste,why not take that money and run masteron with your cycle instread of all that proviron,it will give u better results yet have the same effect surely??? apart from running proviron in my pct i'd rather use masteron in the cycle seeing it will give u good gains aswell as the same effects as using proviron...so therefore its better i guess coz u are getting more anabolic effects as well as the same effects as taking proviron through out your cycle...just my 2c

Masteron and Proviron have 2 very different effects. Proviron is an oral and passes through the liver and has a similar effect on freeing testosterone as oral winny, also has mild anti-estrogen effects. Masteron, the injectable, does not pass through the liver and takes longer to get to peak levels due to the ester. Also does not influence free testosterone and has DHT sides associated with it. In a 16 week cycle I would be concerned about cortisol levels towards the end and estrogen as well, thus, if I had to choose I would go for Proviron due to it's ability to free testosterone and enhance your gains through those last few weeks when gains slow down, also the mild ant-e effect should be welcome as well.

so how long u recon u can run masteron for?

Depending on how you react to the DHT sides, I would look at 6 - 8 weeks. Also look at ester, enanthate would be 8 - 10 weeks. If sides are bad you can change your injection protocol to more frequently and get more stable levels and the sides should diminish a bit or just lower the dose. There are allot of other factors to consider as well, one would be compounds stacked with. Too many Androgens are bad esp if they are toxic like winny.

now what about doing masteron for 10weeks...and then switch to winstrol for 4 weeks?

If you can handle the androgens and DHT sides then it's cool hey.

Netro wrote:

Run you test and equi for 12 weeks. Front load with an oral.
Run last four weeks with Prop, Masteron and Tren Ace, use oral winny at a low dose of 0.2mg p/kg body weight.

This is a great 16 week cycle and running GH along side will give you awesome results, if you can afford it.
First 12 weeks inject 2 x p/week
Last 4 weeks inject EOD.

I would use Arimidex on cycle for anti-e.

PCT would be Ovidrel,Clomid Therapy and Aromasin or Letrozole if you can't get Aromasin.
I would also start with Ovidrel maintenance from week 6 or so @ 500iU 3 x p/week.

K, did this yesterday and the post did not go through, so 2nd serve

First 12 weeks: (Injection protocol 2 x p/week)
Lets look at the injection protocol first. I have suggested 2 x p/week. Reason being, I am promoting more consistent levels and less peaks and troughs. More consistent levels = better gains and less sides. Secondly, compounds. Test Enanthate is a long ester and thus perfect to stack with other long esters and at the duration of 8 plus weeks as the enanthate ester takes about 5 - 6 weeks to show results and be stripped for levels to peak. Equipoise has a longer ester than the test, thus the recommendation for 12 weeks as I see 10 weeks as a min to run this compound to get max benefit. Equi also promotes lean gains and I guess you will ask why include this in a bulking cycle? Well, the answer is simple, Equi gives you an appetite and this enables you to eat more and more frequently as your diet should be mass orientated anyway. Equi is a great compound and has a valid place in either a lean mass or bulking cycle. The front load is pretty standard as with all longer esters to show results in the first few weeks and is run for 4 weeks with an oral, D-Bol or Anapolon are goods choices here.

First 12 weeks Anti-e:
Kessar is the budget choice if estrogen sides are apparent, but Arimidex would be first prize. These are only taken if gyno starts and till it is under control again.

First 12 weeks add-ons:
5-HTP for anxiety with the Equi.
Milk Thistle for the liver.

Last 4 weeks: (Injection protocol, EOD)
This is Phase 2 of the cycle and since you will hold some water due to the oral and Test I have suggested to add some Andgrogens to not only help with water but estrogen as well.
First compound, Oral Winstrol. This increases SHBG levels and frees more testosterone to make the last few weeks gains better as estrogen and cortisol levels will be on the rise. The oral winny will also help towards mitigating the estrogen sides from the test. Masteron, another androgen and as with winny, a DHT compound, there is no conversion to estrogen. Masteron actually has some anti-e properties which will be welcome here. This will also help with water from the first 12 weeks and is a great cutting compound. The winny and Masteron my dry the joints and this is where the 19-Nor I suggested will help. That compound is Tren Acetate and ideal for dropping water and fat loss if you gained any from the 3 months of bulking. Test Prop is the last compound and this basically keeps your test base going and piggy backs nicely on the declining levels from the enanthate.

Why the swap from long to short esters?
This is due to recovery, the quicker one can start PCT the faster you can recover natural hormone production and this goes a long way to keeping gains.

Last 4 weeks Anti-e:
Kessar should not be used here due to the 19-Nor and it will make the 19-Nor less effective. Arimidex will not help if the gyno is progesterone based from the 19-Nor, so Letrozole or a better choice, Parlodel would be better suited. If you still get estrogen based gyno you can use Arimidex to keep that under control. This is way it is very important to know your body and be able to identify which type of gyno you have to take the correct compounds to combat it fast.

Last 4 weeks add-ons:
Diet will change from bulk to cut in this phase.
Still on Milk Thistle due to oral winstrol.
Cranberry root for kidneys that take a pounding from the Tren.
Propecia / Finpecia for the DHT sides from the Masteron and Winstrol.
Protobol, low doses to sensitize the receptors that may start to become desensitized from the AAS.

PCT:
I suggested the following:
Ovidrel, start maintenance from week 6 or so @ 300 - 500iU 3 x p/week. The first 2 weeks after you last shot up that to 1000 - 1500iU 3 x p/week.
Clomid, 3 days after last shot and run for 10 days @ 100mg p/day and judge if you need to run longer.
In corporate Letro as per the Letro post on this forum at those doses.

Post cycle do's and add-ons:
Increase Vit C intake to 3000mg p/day.
Clenbuterol is a good post cycle compound as it keeps you anabolic and should be cycled 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.
You will have your biggest gains loss 6 - 8 weeks post cycle so you need to stay as anabolic as possible for as long as possible and always taper add-ons and don't just stop.
Tribulus, natural test booster and gets sperm count up.

There are many other compounds to add here, but these are basics.

Hope this helps with the methodology behind putting the cycle together.