20 week Cycle Advice

m90010
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12 Sep 2011 21:11 #75676 by m90010

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Hi Guys

I'm starting 20 week cycle and I wanted to get some advice on what the experts out there think of my plan.
I need to put on quality muscle - that's the goal.
Its a bit of a complicated cycle but I did something similar a few months back with phenomenal results. But interested in your comments please.

Thanks Guys :evil:

Week 1 - 12

Priom D 400mg/w
Equi 600mg/w
Masteron 400mg/w
Norditropin GH - 2 iU daily
Test E. 600mg p/w
Proviron 100mg/d
Arimidex 0.5mg/d

1500iU HCG week 6,7 & 8

Week 12-13

Priom D 400mg/w
Equi 600mg/w
Masteron 400mg/w
Norditropin GH - 2 iU daily
Test Prop. 300mg/w
Winstrol 50mg/d
Arimidex 0.5mg/d

1500iU HCG week 13, 14, & 15

PCT

Nolvadex 20mg/d for 6 weeks
Vitamin E 1000 iU for 3 weeks
HCG 1500iU/w for 3 weeks
Arimidex 0.5mg/d for 6 weeks

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Empire
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13 Sep 2011 06:50 #75695 by Empire

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www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy
your pct is wrong to start,you need to follow either the pct 2 or doctari's pct for optimum results.

and then here comes the big one u can only start your pct 42-45days after your last equipoise injection as thats how long it will take to clear the system,so week 12 u are injecting 600mg,by week 18 you can start your pct. the masteron that u are using,is it enanthate or is it proprionate? the priom d? is that primobolan enanathate?

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m90010
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13 Sep 2011 12:31 #75764 by m90010

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Hey DJ

Thanks for your prompt response!
I'll definitely check out the PCT recommendations (thanks for that)
This is the PCT Ive been using that I found on steroids.com forum

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?209758-PCT-by-Steroid.com- )#.Tm8qe-uOmfp

I'm using Axio Promoplex 200 - Each 10ml Vial contains 200mg/ml methenolone enanthate
Dragon Pharma Equipose 200 - boldenone undeclyate ester
Dragon Pharma Masteron 100 - Drostanolone Di-Propionate
Dragon Pharma Enantat 250 - Testosterone enanthate

Also, are you happy with the Test E. dosage to 575mg/w rather split into 2 shots?
I don't usually take that much test in such a stacked cycle but as I said I am wanting to put on a little more size.
Just hope the Proviron and Mast. & Arimidex will keep any water down.
Don't feel like looking soft for summer.

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Koe007
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13 Sep 2011 12:38 #75767 by Koe007

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No offense bud but just to warn you dragon is Underdosed, and injections very painful, I used masteron and equipoise 350 from them was not impressed.

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m90010
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13 Sep 2011 12:42 #75769 by m90010

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Hmmm, I buy as I go so should I rather move back onto Axio for the rest of the cycle?
To be honest this is the first time I'm trying Dragon Pharma

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Koe007
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13 Sep 2011 12:46 #75771 by Koe007

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Axio would be better, by the way I like your cycle layout just put in those Pct changes and you should get nice lean gains, why not up the Gh to 4 iu, is cash an issue?

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m90010
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13 Sep 2011 14:01 #75792 by m90010

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Well I decided to use Pharmacutical quality rather than underground GH. So my plan was to take 4iU daily but apparently 2iU of Norditropin is equivalent. I guess money is always an issue to some degree, although I'm happy to pay for better and more solid results. After all you only get one body and one crack at it, might as well invest wisely.

Do you think increasing the GH to 4iU will be worth the additional investment Koe007?

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Koe007
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13 Sep 2011 14:37 #75799 by Koe007

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Pharma is the best but will bankrupt you at the dosages needed for optimal growth, as well as length it needs to be run for(At least 3-5 months). There are some reputable UG labs that make HGH, Kefei, Syntropin. Although they are not as strong as Pharma I must say Kefei gave me good results. 4iu is way better than 2iu I would say 4iu is min dose for muscle growth. 2 iu will give you fat loss and thats a bit expensive for a fat loss drug.
I was on 5iu Kefei/day with great results, upped it to 10iu and BOOM the magic spot. Obviously can't stay there for long at that dose.

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TestFreak
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13 Sep 2011 15:47 - 13 Sep 2011 15:49 #75810 by TestFreak

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i second second koes response to dragon pharma, prices are good yet they seem to be awfully under dosed and to this day, ive never felt any gear hurt as much as there prop! :ohmy:

Last edit: 13 Sep 2011 15:49 by TestFreak.

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m90010
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13 Sep 2011 16:05 #75812 by m90010

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So you say 10iU is the magic number? I'm absolutely petrified of GH Belly though. I've spent many years perfecting proportion rather than hectic size as for me that's where the "beauty"lies.
At what dosages do you start messing around with organ enlargement??

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m90010
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13 Sep 2011 16:09 #75814 by m90010

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@ TestFreak
LOL! Ok Dragon Pharma is definitely a no go. We absolutely DO NOT like inferior products! But I do have a vial of each so I'll have to endure the pain for a bit and then move onto Axio, PW, or something like that.
Or maybe I should just throw them away and start the cycle clean and right from the word go?

Appreciate the advice!
Rather stick with the names you know and trust I guess!

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Koe007
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13 Sep 2011 19:24 #75835 by Koe007

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I'd say start at 4iu then work up to 5iu. Don't worry to much about Gh gut I used 10iu for a while and many pros without Gh gut. It's mostly due to overfeeding all the calories needed to get that big. Use the dragon if you already have it IMO stick with known names, PGW for me Axio is also quality.

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m90010
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13 Sep 2011 21:13 #75863 by m90010

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I meant PGW. Thanks a million.
Looking forward to my cycle now!

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m90010
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14 Sep 2011 10:40 #75916 by m90010

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DJ wrote: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy
your pct is wrong to start,you need to follow either the pct 2 or doctari's pct for optimum results.

and then here comes the big one u can only start your pct 42-45days after your last equipoise injection as thats how long it will take to clear the system,so week 12 u are injecting 600mg,by week 18 you can start your pct. the masteron that u are using,is it enanthate or is it proprionate? the priom d? is that primobolan enanathate?

Hey DJ

Quick question. About the Equipose, are you saying that I must discontinue it at week 12 so that I can start my PCT at week 18?

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m90010
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14 Sep 2011 12:06 - 14 Sep 2011 12:13 #75932 by m90010

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Ok so I've updated my cycle as per your guys suggestions. Have a look and let me know what you think.
It's like a R35k cycle lol!

http://imageshack.us/f/685/screenshot20110914at120.jpg/

Last edit: 14 Sep 2011 12:13 by m90010.

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Empire
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14 Sep 2011 12:28 #75933 by Empire

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its 42days after your last shot of equipoise u can start your pct bud... yes i am saying that u must push ur pct time up to at least 6 weeks after your last equi shot

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m90010
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14 Sep 2011 12:35 #75934 by m90010

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Thanks DJ
U R A LEGEND.

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m90010
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27 Sep 2011 10:40 #77042 by m90010

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DJ

I have a question for you, I hope you get this feed.

I'm currently on the CKD which we spoke about briefly in another post. Do you think I should rather go on a more conventional bodybuilding diet to secure more quality gains on the course I'm busy doing on this thread?

I just feel that I'm putting a lot of money and effort in and want to make sure that my diet weighs up to the pharmaceutical demand. I'm not 100% sure a Keto diet is the way to go. I do feel like I'm flattening out a bit, but getting shredded at the same time which is a bonus.

Look forward to your advice. Or anyone else knowledgable I'm this field.

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Empire
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27 Sep 2011 10:42 #77043 by Empire

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If u wanting to gsin muscle u need to add carbs bro...you won't grow on keto really...

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m90010
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27 Sep 2011 10:48 #77044 by m90010

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Thanks bud. Sometimes I need a reminder!!

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STUARTF
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27 Sep 2011 11:11 #77045 by STUARTF

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I ran pretty much the exact same coarse as you at the end of last year, except I had Tren A instead of Primo.

Results were really good. I was carb cycling for the first 14 weeks, then went on keto for the last 6.

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