Test Enanthate & Anavar (first cycle)

wow ok, dont understand why u said anything u just said chapel.

i dont blame my genetics, im just saying im not the most naturally gifted. i dont think i need steroids becuase of my genetics (where did i say that?), ive just made the decision to take them, i train my ass off and eat very weill imo and ive just decided its time to take the next step. if there is anything u can call me its impatient (not an idiot, your an idiot for evrything u just said). dont read or post if you have nothing valuable to say. im here to get good advice and make sure i do this the right way, not to argue about genetics or age.

CHAPEL wrote: you are an idiot. i though i couldnt break 82-84.. was stuck there for fucking AGES now im 88 natural? so dont talk kak about genetics, look at deadgoat, now if someone had the right to bitch about genetics it was him and he's weighing over 90 natural. This thread is making me angry and its not about your age its your attitude towards this. If you thinks its genetics, then go do your cycle. Enjoy.

No flaming please.

He is not an idiot, he is just going through the learning process and we are here to give advice. If he doesn't follow our advice then he can be called an idiot.

tudor.grimbly wrote: wow ok, dont understand why u said anything u just said chapel.

i dont blame my genetics, im just saying im not the most naturally gifted. i dont think i need steroids becuase of my genetics (where did i say that?), ive just made the decision to take them, i train my ass off and eat very weill imo and ive just decided its time to take the next step. if there is anything u can call me its impatient (not an idiot, your an idiot for evrything u just said). dont read or post if you have nothing valuable to say. im here to get good advice and make sure i do this the right way, not to argue about genetics or age.

I thought that Chapel's post will start a fight... this stops now for both of you or I'll be banning away...

Ja, come on CHAPEL, give the oke a break.

Does anyone have advice on running the test e for lets say 6 weeks and statring the var at the start of the 5th week and ending it at the end of the 8th? If its not a bad idea just dont know if i would want to be on for 12 + weeks for my first cyle.

& would u use the same pct as u would for a 12 week cycle or a shoter one?

6 weeks are too short to gain much from Test E.

Test E for 10-12 weeks is not a bad first cycle.

what if i ran propionoate for 6 weeks? i know it is faster acting, but that doesnt mean its not as good for bulking and strengh right?

I believe you can bulk and cut on any AAS. Its your diet that make or brake it.

If you decide on test prop run it for at least 8 weeks at 100mg eod. Dont put yourself through all this pinning in your 1st cycle. Do as admin suggest and run a longer ester test for 12 weeks and do a basic pct

No bro, don't complicate matters so much.

Do this and it's a done deal:

Week 1-10: Testocyp at 500mg per week.
Week 14+ Start PCT No 2. (See download section)

You can keep some Letro on hand should you be prone to gynocomastia.

alright thanks.

any reason why i should get the cyp instead of enanth (i was set on PGW test e, HEnce the 300mg suggestion at the start). yeah im a bit worried about the gyno so i think i will (any cheaper alternatives to letrozole?), and is there anthing i can keep on hand if there is an acne breakout?

THanks again for all this help

Testen might cripple you since you are new to steroids it's best to stick to something that will not cause injection pain.

Letro is very cheap, unless you go for the pharma version.

Thanks. Admin, you wouldnt happen to know what is a reasonale max for daily protien intake? cuz thats where my prob lies

Im going to get the stuff tomorrow and hopefully start then too. Just going to get my kidneys tested and if theor cool then i will. also going to get a vitamin b shot, so i know what to expect from the injection (apparently its more painfull thsn testen haha:)

Ill also sort that diet out within a day or two and train like a monster:).

thanks to everyone for all the advice, even you chapel;). Ill post in here about 4 weeks in to let everyone know how its working for me

I understand what Chapel's frustrations with you are however I also understand your frustration with reaching a plateau. My view is this your diet is not good its actually shit, carbs all over the place,weet bix, provita,no bud. Forget what you think you know about dieting get a proper diet from Dj follow that for a few weeks, see if you are seeing improvement then decide. I think its clear you have made up your mind in which case admin's cycle advice is spot on. Please focus on diet you will be surprised how a shift in proper nutrition will yield results. Imo diet is 60%, training 30%, juice and supplements 10% of your BB growth.

Hey OP, I have to say I agree with Chapel on this one. I'm not saying don't do the cycle, just give yourself a little more time to figure out how to get the most out of your body/genetics.

I use to be an ecto (still have the 6.9" wrists to prove it) but through lots of trial and error I've figured out how to gain and lose weight at will and I can say I've truly figured my body out. I started out weighing 60kg and now I'm up to 90kg with the strength and stretch marks that come with it and I'm still young just like you (20 now), so no its not impossible.

Yes I know that you're excited about starting your cycle ASAP and I'm sure you've already made a FB status about it but if you haven't realised what makes your body tick now what makes you think you'll figure it out on cycle? Sure you'll grow on cycle but what happens when you go off? Back to square one, can't grow for shit.

Touch up your diet and do some more research, easiest way to stay focused and not lose heart is to set yourself a target. Tell yourself until you weigh x amount or can bench/squat/deadlift x amount you're not going to touch test.

Hard work is important but you have to work smartly, otherwise you're just trying to push a car with its handbrake up uphill, all that huffing and puffing will get you no where till you realise what you're doing wrong

Out of respect for your experience, i will try one of DJ's for atleast o month and see how that goes.

NO i certainly dont plan to run my mouth about being on juice.

Koe777 i ppreciate the honesty, i thought my diet was pretty good, but obviously ive got a lot to learn:)

just so people like chapel know. ive been tempted by juice for 2 years now, i said no, trained hard, ate well (for a school kid and for someone my age atleast) and took good supps while all my friends around me didnt hesitate and i had to watch as they could lift more than me in the space of 2 weeks. so its not about nme saying, oh i need juice because ive been given shit genetics and its the only way. ive just got to a point where i am comfortable with taking it as i feel i have put in a lot of effort, naturally to get to my size and strengh and it is neccessary if i want to keep growing and getting stronger.

Nevetheless i will fix my diet and train just as hard for a month and if (like you say) there is still a lot of potential for growth, i will postpone my course untill over 21.

THank you deadgoat and koe777 for your input

Nice advice gents

That would be great I respect your drive and passion it will take you far in this sport bud. Just one more thing you are your own measurement of growth and success in this sport don't compete with your friends or anyone else. You will only limit yourself.
little off topic Wow DG well done on your results,I'm truly impressed bud 60-90 now that is growth keep it up,we can all take something from your dedication to do it naturally with all your knowledge on Aas as well.

Sorry included my msg in the quote,silly

Also wanted to say well done to Deadgoat. Thanks really amazing bud.

Admin can i get DJ's email adress from you here, sorry im new to this site

Koe007 wrote: little off topic Wow DG well done on your results,I'm truly impressed bud 60-90 now that is growth keep it up,we can all take something from your dedication to do it naturally with all your knowledge on Aas as well.

STUARTF wrote: Also wanted to say well done to Deadgoat. Thanks really amazing bud.

Thanks guys, means a lot

tudor.grimbly wrote: Admin can i get DJ's email adress from you here, sorry im new to this site

You can mail me from the "Contact-Us" page. We do not allow email address to be posted in public for security reasons.

I owe you an apology tudor, sorry was in a grumpy mood last night and was getting irritated with pretty much everything haha. Glad to see you are reconsidering, with a good diet you wont go wrong! cheers.

Hi All

Im using testen at 450mg (1.5ml) every 5 days. (On my 4th injection ATM)
im going on 15 weeks for test and loading with DBOL.

What would be beter to use in the last 4 weeks of my cycle (anavar or winny)???????
im looking at bulking then cutting down.

any advise would be much appriciated.....

Winny 50mg/day as 4 weeks is not enough for great results with Anavar.