Cycle Help - Deca or Equipose ??

Hi Guys

I am starting my cycle in two weeks time,this will be my second.
First Cycle was Sus @ 250mg per week and Deca @ 300mg per week.

My New Cycle....
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg per day
Week 1-10 deca 300mg per day (Using on Monday)
Week 1-12 sustanon 500mg per day(Using on Monday and Thursday split 250mg)

Now I was thinking of taking out the deca and replace it with equipose.
What will the gains difference be between the deca an equipose.

If equipose is a better choice how much should I run with the cycle

Thinking really of dropping the deca as I am a little prone to gyno.

My pct as per doctari's

33years old
Weight - 72kg
b/f - 16 percent (body fat dropping every week as I am dieting properly at the moment)
Been training for 3 years and was off for half a year and am back for 8 months already again training hard and proper.

Diet will be clean.

If taking the deca instead of the equipose will 20mg's per day of aromasin be enough to combat the gyno issues?

Thanks

Equipoise needs to be run for 16 weeks approx and at a higher dose than deca. Say between 500 and 700mg.

Hey bud

Well i quess its all more goal depended then anything else. Are u looking at a lean bulk or a mass bulk. But seeing as gyno is a fear then eq would be better. But with the eq u'll have to extend the cycle to atleast 14 weeks for the eq alone. Then run the sust a week past.

Then there is the long time u have to wait to do pct. so there u'll have to do sum oral to stay anabolic while u wait for the injectables to clear.

Also how is the diet looking. Are u weighing ur food and counting calories.

Looking at getting good size and keeping most of it.

I really do not actually want to extend the cycle so I guess that I must stick to the deca then?

Would 20mg Aromasin keep the gyno away and would this hinder any gains? In my first cycle of sus and deca , only at the end of the cycle I had some gyno symptoms , but it went away on it's own in a few weeks.

Just do not want to take any chances.

Foods are weighed and calories counted.

Then stick to the deca then. Aromasin will do fine at that dose eod.

If I may ask, why don't u want to extend the cycle? U wil def keep more gains from the equi. And the cycle wil only be 4 to 5 weeks longer. And of course the window period to the pct will be longer. It wil be more expensive though.

Deca has a very low rate of aromatization less than half that of Equi.

Rather do equipoise at 600mg per week, minimum 15 weeks imo, 10weeks deca to short anyway so you have to extend your cycle. Equi will not be as bad with gyno sides as deca in my case no gyno with equi better quality gains as well.

Ok so I was thinking a bit

Should I just not rather drop the deca and equi completely and just use the sus and d-bols?

Or if I use the equipose

Will this cycle do?
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg per day
Week 1-16 sustanon 500mg per week (split monday / Thursday)
Week 1-15 equipose @ 600mg per week (split monday / Thursday)
20mg's aromasin eod - just to combat the slight gyno issues of the d-bol and equipose.

without the equipose

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg per day
Week 1-12 sustanon 500mg per week (split monday / Thursday)
20mg's aromasin eod - just to combat the slight gyno issues of the d-bol.

And now I am in two minds again as I heard and read up that alot of people get gyno symptoms from d-bol.

PCT = Doctari's PCT 2

thx

The eq cycle will give better gains. But u gotta ask urself if u wanna cycle that long and if the finances will be fine aswell.

As for the d-boll if ur so worried drop it or go for t-boll.

My vote goes to Deca. But not at 300mg/week. 450mg min and Test at 750mg.

jackrabbit1 wrote: My vote goes to Deca. But not at 300mg/week. 450mg min and Test at 750mg.

touche, me too my vote is towards deca. Just speaking from experience have had good results from it. Although it gives me hectic acne on the back

Ok so I decided to stick with my initial cycle that was planned.

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg per day
Week 1-10 deca 300mg per/week
Week 1-12 sustanon 500mg per/week (Split monday/thursday)
Aromasin 20mg a day

Doctari pct - 3

Letro on hand.

So just to get everything cleared up.
1.) Is 20mg a day enough aromasin or should I take it eod/e3d/e4d?
2.) If gyno symptoms arise do I continue the aromasin and just start the letro @ 0.25mg going up to 2.5mg and then just taper down?
3.) Can I add Proviron to the cycle as I have it lying around and if so how much per day
4.) I have seen in some cycle that HCG is added during the cycle is the advisable?
5.) Then the last can I split the deca into 150mg for inject on monday and thursday with the sustanon? I read that it helps to mix the sus with something to help with the post sustanon pain.

Just need this cleared up then I'm good to go.

Thanks

Bump..

Spk101 wrote: Ok so I decided to stick with my initial cycle that was planned.

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg per day
Week 1-10 deca 300mg per/week
Week 1-12 sustanon 500mg per/week (Split monday/thursday)
Aromasin 20mg a day

Doctari pct - 3

Letro on hand.

So just to get everything cleared up.
1.) Is 20mg a day enough aromasin or should I take it eod/e3d/e4d?
2.) If gyno symptoms arise do I continue the aromasin and just start the letro @ 0.25mg going up to 2.5mg and then just taper down?
3.) Can I add Proviron to the cycle as I have it lying around and if so how much per day
4.) I have seen in some cycle that HCG is added during the cycle is the advisable?
5.) Then the last can I split the deca into 150mg for pinning on monday and thursday with the sustanon? I read that it helps to mix the sus with something to help with the post sustanon pain.

Just need this cleared up then I'm good to go.

Thanks

Guys please help with the last info I need, Q1 - 5
Will really appreciate it.

Starting cycle on Monday

Spk101 wrote: 1.) Is 20mg a day enough aromasin or should I take it eod/e3d/e4d?
2.) If gyno symptoms arise do I continue the aromasin and just start the letro @ 0.25mg going up to 2.5mg and then just taper down?
3.) Can I add Proviron to the cycle as I have it lying around and if so how much per day
4.) I have seen in some cycle that HCG is added during the cycle is the advisable?
5.) Then the last can I split the deca into 150mg for inject on monday and thursday with the sustanon? I read that it helps to mix the sus with something to help with the post sustanon pain.

Just need this cleared up then I'm good to go.

Thanks

1.) 20mg a day is a very good dose,you can start off at 20mg eod,if gyno signs appear start taking aromasin everyday,if they are still there then add in letro at 0.5mg a day.

2.)answer above

3) yes you can add proviron,40-60mg a day is perfect.

4.)not nessasary in my opinion but some guys do advise it like 00pump

5.) yea that is fine,spliting it up will also help with the short esters being more stable in the blood as short esters need to be injected more frequently.

Hey DJ

Thanks alot

Now I'am all set

DJ wrote:

Spk101 wrote: 1.) Is 20mg a day enough aromasin or should I take it eod/e3d/e4d?
2.) If gyno symptoms arise do I continue the aromasin and just start the letro @ 0.25mg going up to 2.5mg and then just taper down?
3.) Can I add Proviron to the cycle as I have it lying around and if so how much per day
4.) I have seen in some cycle that HCG is added during the cycle is the advisable?
5.) Then the last can I split the deca into 150mg for inject on monday and thursday with the sustanon? I read that it helps to mix the sus with something to help with the post sustanon pain.

Just need this cleared up then I'm good to go.

Thanks

1.) 20mg a day is a very good dose,you can start off at 20mg eod,if gyno signs appear start taking aromasin everyday,if they are still there then add in letro at 0.5mg a day.

2.)answer above

3) yes you can add proviron,40-60mg a day is perfect.

4.)not nessasary in my opinion but some guys do advise it like 00pump

5.) yea that is fine,spliting it up will also help with the short esters being more stable in the blood as short esters need to be injected more frequently.

00Pump any input on point number 4?

See Doctari's PCT for HCG dosage during cycle.
Especially for Deca. Its so cheap why wont you add it?

jackrabbit1 wrote: See Doctari's PCT for HCG dosage during cycle.
Especially for Deca. Its so cheap why wont you add it?

Hey jackrabbit1

I have no problem adding it, infact if it's adviseable then I will. Just need to know when and how much too use.

I had a look at doctari's pct again and it only explains on using hcg in pct not during cycle.

1x hCG 5000iu, running on 250iu eod imo

Hi Doc himself says, he does not see a purpose of using hCG during a cycle, that is from the medical expert. For me I use it as I enjoy having balls, and strangely enough when I was big into my bodybuilding, I found that hCG half way through a cycle got me through any platue I might have been going through, however I don't have any scientific proof of this..

00pump wrote: Hi Doc himself says, he does not see a purpose of using hCG during a cycle, that is from the medical expert. For me I use it as I enjoy having balls, and strangely enough when I was big into my bodybuilding, I found that hCG half way through a cycle got me through any platue I might have been going through, however I don't have any scientific proof of this..

What do you mena with "when i was big into my bodybuilding" pump, you not big into it anymore?

Nope.. I change shape and size all the time, if my health is bad, I sometimes have to drop 10/15 kgs, when it seems better I gain again.. I don't take any 'mass' steroids, only mild things like primo..

Now i'm just cruzing, loving life, enjoying gym, but not taking it serious anymore.. I train because I love it, but not interested in 'size' anymore.. actually finding i'm enjoying being 'small' much better now, as not getting shin splits, I can breath better, my blood pressure is lower, ja, different strokes for different folkes

ah ok i hear you! i went from being a 120kg mass monster to 95kg (current) lean mass. prefer the look I have now, just want to shed some of this winter weight i picked up!