proviron can i ????

extra small
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09 Jul 2011 20:24 #70337 by extra small

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Hey there
I would just like to know if i can add proviron into my cycle...
My cycle looks like this...
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg p/d
Week 1-10 deca 300mg p/w
Week 1-11 sustanon 500mg p/w

My pct consist of...
Clomid
Letro for gyno
Ovidrel
Kessar

Can i add proviron as i have 2 bottles of it 100 pills

Thanx in advance.

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SLEON
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09 Jul 2011 20:28 #70340 by SLEON

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As far as i know there is no problem in adding proviron throughout the cycle about 50mg per day should be fine

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extra small
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09 Jul 2011 20:35 #70342 by extra small

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my diet wil consist of a fist size protein and a fist size of carbs at every meal how and at what time to begin it

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SLEON
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09 Jul 2011 20:40 #70343 by SLEON

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Before starting your cycle you have to ensure that your diet is spot on , why not contact dj for a custom diet , he does charge but it will be well worth it , i am currently on one of his diets and only in week 2 and i cal already feel and see a difference ,

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SLEON
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09 Jul 2011 20:41 #70344 by SLEON

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And another thing , how many cycles have you done in the past ?

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AvR
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09 Jul 2011 20:42 #70346 by AvR

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Piroviron can be very usefull in any cycle. See the following link:
bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/proviron

Good luck with your gains. Keep us posted...

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Geared
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10 Jul 2011 07:05 #70354 by Geared

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50mg is fine, i am currently running 75mg , i run 25mg per 250mg test i am on.

i would extend sust to 12 weeks

I agree about getting diet spot on, makes the world of difference and should be tailored to your goals and current physical condition

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Empire
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10 Jul 2011 07:51 #70355 by Empire

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extra small wrote: my diet wil consist of a fist size protein and a fist size of carbs at every meal how and at what time to begin it

no bud,do not use that approach at all,i can tell u now that not all pieces of meat are gonna match the size of your fist,get a scale,measure and weigh your food,thats the only way u can be 100% accurate...also carb at every meal isnt necessarily the right way,i like to have carbs at breakfast,pre work out and post work out as that is really when you need carbs the most...

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Pumped
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10 Jul 2011 08:04 #70356 by Pumped

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Also take out letro in your pct as Nolva will render the letro useless.

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Empire
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10 Jul 2011 08:11 - 10 Jul 2011 08:42 #70358 by Empire

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pumped,how did u come to the conclusion letro will render nolva useless? you cant compare serms to aromatise inhibitors in that sense, the reason u dont use letrozole during a pct is that it kills estrogen levels too much,letro will diminish estrogen levels by i think it was over 90%,i cant remember the exact figure,where as using aromasin will drop them between 50-60%,so there is still some estrogen in the body whilst trying to get your hormones back to normal, using letro and destroying estrogen levels too much can result in an estrogen rebound post PCT. estrogen isnt always the devil unless u are on high dosages of test and are battling with gyno and bad water retention.

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Pumped
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10 Jul 2011 08:22 #70361 by Pumped

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Well it's just a know fact that letro becomes less effective when taken with nolva hence the reason why doc doesn't include it in his PCT.

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Empire
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10 Jul 2011 08:25 - 10 Jul 2011 08:37 #70362 by Empire

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please read my above post as i edited it...i explained why u dont use letro in pct.

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Empire
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10 Jul 2011 08:36 - 10 Jul 2011 08:45 #70363 by Empire

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ok pumped i do apologise,i just trolled through the forum and found a post by doctari stating the following :

"Also remember that Kessar decreases the effective dose of Arimidex and Letro when combined - hence Aromasin better choice for PCT"

but like i said,the reason why u dont use letro is cos of the estrogen shut down to +/-90% and well the doc stated using aromasin is better, but that being said an AI doesnt render a SERM useless...just less effective

also that being said letro and arimadex do not work that same way as aromasin does in a pct as aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, i quote a passage written by admin in regards to docs pct

" You cannot replace Aromasin with any other AI, because Letrozole or Anastrozole doesn’t work in the same way as Aromasin and replacing it will make your PCT useless."

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extra small
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10 Jul 2011 10:36 #70376 by extra small

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thanx for the reply's
Dj can estamate the amount of money that i wil need for my foods

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Pumped
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10 Jul 2011 10:40 #70380 by Pumped

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It's cool man we all forget shit now and then.

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SLEON
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10 Jul 2011 13:00 #70389 by SLEON

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@ extra small

it is going to depend on portions bud < because a diet is worked out with all your personal stats like weight and bodyfat height etc.
for example a 120kg man will eat more than a 60kg person , but dj will know more about that

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extra small
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10 Jul 2011 13:47 #70393 by extra small

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i just want an estamate on the food side so that n can have a look at my budget haha
This is my stats...

84kgs
Bf do not know yet (not fat)
1.85m

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SLEON
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10 Jul 2011 14:08 #70395 by SLEON

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Personally i would contact dj if i were you , give him your stats and he will give you a custom diet ,he does charge but it is very important that your diet is in order before you start your cycle , otherwise you won't make the gains you want to , rather get your diet in order , and then save up to get your cycle , or get one thing at a time (unless you already have everything ) my groceries cost anything from R2 300 -R2 700 hope this helps bud . Have you done any cycles before ?

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extra small
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10 Jul 2011 14:33 #70400 by extra small

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@sleon
Is that for your hole cycle?
I will contact him thanx

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SLEON
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10 Jul 2011 15:10 #70402 by SLEON

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No that is per month bud , but yous might be a little less , but you results will speak for itself if your diet is right

Good luck bro

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extra small
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10 Jul 2011 17:39 #70410 by extra small

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mailed dj havent heard from him just yet want to start august

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SLEON
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10 Jul 2011 18:01 #70411 by SLEON

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He will get back to you , don't worry

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extra small
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11 Jul 2011 17:56 #70488 by extra small

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can any one tell me when to start the proviron and at what dose??

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00pump
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12 Jul 2011 07:24 #70511 by 00pump

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You can start the Proviron when you want and the dose is completely personal, I use around 40mg during cycle, and then when I ride out the long esters I push it up to 80 to 100mg

"Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right"--Henry Ford

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extra small
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12 Jul 2011 21:07 #70575 by extra small

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00pump thank u must one take it like the dbols through out the day That would make sense?

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