any advice?

Hennie

Just follow Pump's advice- Hit TEstosterone only and take proper PCT.
Get two vials of Test Enanthate. That will be enough for about 11 weeks.
And 25 - 30 days after your last injection start your PCT if you use TEst E
And read this:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...oids/28-testosterone
And this:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/information/7-introduction and when done hit next - read all of this and you will feel informed

Thx Ondier, have just read the 2 pieces and came across the "chart 4 selection" and what i would like to achieve is basically waht equi350 or turinabol give regarding weight,strength,fatloss and sides etc. Now plz 4give me for being "stupid" but is that only combined with a testo or how does this work?? Thats y i started this whole topic with tri-anabol - IM VERY CONFUSED !!

Oom Hennie, come now seriously!

U have bn given so much good advice already and the only person confusing u is u yourself.

Testosterone is the base of ANY cycle. So yes, with the equi and tbol you will still have to use testosterone. To me it seems as if u are throwing good advice back in the faces of the ppl who want to help u. Guys that really knw what they are talking about. And that u have this pre conceived idea that test only is a crappy idea.

For a first timer stay away from orals. Be it dbol, tbol or whatever.
Stick to something basic like testosterone only. It is a powerful hormone and u will def see and feel results and u wil feel good whilst on it. Especially at ur age when testosterone is decreasing naturally within ur body.

I suggest that you read this topic from the beginning again and take note what advice bn given to u. And when u do, please take it to heart. U have bn given the best possible advice hennie. Its up to u to take it or not.

I'm not being nasty honestly.

Hennie, what exactly are ur goals?

Whats ur aas history?

Thx MCJ, Fakey_AK. My apolagies if it seems that im throwing good advice back, NOT INTENDED AT ALL. Im just trying to understand better and all the different opinions and contradictions on the net doesnt help at all. Ive used d/bol, equi, deca, primo b4 and my last one was t/bol about a year ago. Got exactly what i wanted from the t/bol but lost it again. Goals? Im 50yrs, 95kg, bout 12/14% BF - would like to get to 101kg without blowin up overnite but rather a slow steady gain that can be maintained aftewards. Any ideas?

By the way MCJ, im not a oom im a very very young oupa. LOL

Hahaha good comeback mate!

Well this kind of changes things now seeing as u have used gear before etc. Why don't u post some of ur previous cycles so the guys can look where u went wrong and why u lost most of ur gains post cycle, which is probably due to incorrect pct procedures.

Still laughing at the oupa chirp. Haha

Ya maybe i should change my username 2 oupa and everyone will realize im not an expert on all this. Ive used on and off 4 the past 3-4 years on VERY limited info and 99% used without stacking anything. Ive made not to bad gains (4 an old man) and got from about 86kg to my current 95kg, i however got to 104 while on the t/bol and then tried to maintain and cut to about 101, lifestyle changes, stress and bad PCT (uninformed) lead to me being back at bout 95 and now getting back into things i want to do a mild cycle amd get back to my goal weight b4 Dec and ty to maintain it for a while at least b4 i really get 2 old for all this and have to wheelchair around. (NOT !!) Im in not 2 bad shape but wouldnt mind a small push towards my goal without "killing" myself. Will post a idea shortly and hopefully get the rite info for "MY" goals but any suggestions will be appreciated- plz check my previous entry for more details re my goal. THX GUYS

The reason much of what you gained on tbol was lost is the underlying problem with mostr orals... Shorterm gains last, well, shorterm. Use a test base. As far as im concerned, at your age your test levels are gonna be bottoming out. did you run a pct after those other cycles? if not then your test levels are definately low. Test alone could do wonders for you, and it is the safest way.

Th other stuff is all auxillary to testosterone, in fact most are derivatives of it, but test is a naturally occurring hormone unlike the others

Thx Spike but i must say this is a "difficult" game - just read one of the other posts and some-one said he got great results from T-bol and winny - mow excuse me 4 being stupid but where is the testo there or is that just over and above the testo OR just a temporary gain.

haha, oh yes, very difficult game. Like i said, most orals. but not all. tbol is certainly gonna be better than dbol. Winstrol is another kettle of fish entirely, and remember iut comes in both oral and injectable guise

Hey hennie

Test is best. Seeing as u enjoyed tbol so much before why not go for a test prop and tbol cycle for 6 to 8 weeks. Add a great diet and u can expect gains of 3 to 5kg easily.

me still "stupid" --- iut ??

it... my bad, spelling...

Hennie wrote: me still "stupid" --- iut ??

I think that was a typo - it

Now u c now im "starting" to understand - that seems like a "gud" idea. My diet and training is way above average - now just 1 thing ??? test and t/bol 2gethr for 8weeks and then (sorry im still on the topics cos i "like" whats in there) another maybe 6 weeks with tri-anabol ???????

No.... just the test p and tbol for 6-8 weeks and then pct ( unless u gonna go on trt ). Forget about the tri-anabol. With tri-anabol u need to run atleast 2ml and for 14 weeks and imho not worth it.

Yo, u guys really want 2 confuse this "old man". Whats trt?? Will i keep the gains after 6-8 weeks IF my diet and training stays as normal??

Well if u go on trt, it will be easier to keep ur gains and yes ur post cycle diet and training will also determine how much u keep.

The level of patience in this thread is incredible

Thx bud, now to get more info on this trt story - sounds good and maybe with a bit of t/bol it just might do the trick for me.

Jackrabbit, if you read this - apparently u the man to talk to re trt ?? !! ??

sorry deadgoat - just an stupid old man trying to get info the "safe" way

But remember the trt is not the cycle, so when ur on trt u only do a low dose of test. Where as the cycle u do the test and tbol for example

Week 1 - 8 Test Prop @ 150 - 200mg eod
Week 1 - 6 Tbol @ 60mg ed
Week 9 Trt dose @ ???mg

Then u can cruise for 8 - 10 weeks and repeat or do u new cycle.

Ok, this all sounds good and sorry if i sound stupid but just trying to get as musch info as poss. I just want a very mild "push" so y cant i just do a, say 12 week trt with some t/bol 40mg evry day (as b4) for say 8 weeks or the full 12weeks for that matter ??

Well then it wouldnt be TRT. It would be a normal cycle. You could run a 500mg test dose for that time, with tbol for a few weeks. TRT is by definition a long term approach

OK, thx, slowly but surely im gettin there. thx 4 the patience guys.