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Did you frontload with dbol or tbol?

ABC01 wrote: Did you frontload with dbol or tbol?

no frontload.

but did kickstart with Dbol @ 15mg a day for 2weeks. not much i know, but it did help a bit.

peace

frontload/kickstart... same thing. 15mg is super low, and only 2 weeks... im surprised you felt any difference

Frontload and Kickstart NOT the same thing.

Kickstart = to take an Oral or Injectable that goes in to your system quickly I.E Dianabol or Test Prop. Say you are using a 12week test enantate cycle.... you will kickstart the cycle with test prop (which is fast acting) for the 2weeks until the E (which has slow acting esters) kicks in.

Frontload = to Double the dose of test in the first week. I.E 12 weeks of enantate @ 600mg per week, you would then "jumpstart" in your first Inject of enantate with 1200mg of E. I think its got something to do with raising your E levels high enough and then it would be a case of maintaining the test levels after that.

Maybe Netro can give a better explanation???

Strangely enough I did feel a little bit. strength did went through the roof, but that would be the Test Prop i guess.... but it did felt good to sluk a bit of Diana again.

Peace

front loading/kick starting doesn't mean you have to double the dosages of the substances you are using Jacquespa, you can load the front of the cycle with injectable and orals all at the same time,so essentially u are doing the same thing,i find that double dosing the first couple of shots is pointless i would rather use a couple different things all at the same time than just huge dosages of 1 substance...

perfect front load/kick start to a cycle would be using a fast acting oral,fast acting injectable and a long ester substance. ie for test enanthate cycle :

600mg split into 3 doses + 100mg of prop to that dosage taken on a monday wednesday friday for the first 3 weeks,and then 40-50mg dianabol taken daily for the first 4-6 weeks is the best front load i find...

DJ wrote: front loading/kick starting doesn't mean you have to double the dosages of the substances you are using Jacquespa, you can load the front of the cycle with injectable and orals all at the same time,so essentially u are doing the same thing,i find that double dosing the first couple of shots is pointless i would rather use a couple different things all at the same time than just huge dosages of 1 substance...

perfect front load/kick start to a cycle would be using a fast acting oral,fast acting injectable and a long ester substance. ie for test enanthate cycle :

600mg split into 3 doses + 100mg of prop to that dosage taken on a monday wednesday friday for the first 3 weeks,and then 40-50mg dianabol taken daily for the first 4-6 weeks is the best front load i find...

I agree with you 100%

as far as my knowledge goes, that is how I understand Frontloading... of taking double the dose is the first week of your cycle... say Test E would be 1200mg if you plan on running 600mg per week.

I am just curious on how and why people would do that. on most forums, steroid junkies do that. How would that benefit one's cycle?

I also take Test Prop for kickstarting any cycle.... been working out pretty wll so far... but have to say DJ, the suggestion you made on taking my Test Prop with my Supertest 2x weekly is working very lekker! thanks for that! and the SuperTest does have a mean bite!!! OUCH!

Cheers

Never Ever ever ever take a Supertest 320 in the shoulder... even if it is diluted with Test Prop!

it F***king hurts like Hell!!! cant get any sleep or even go to the gym! been out for 3 days now!

just a warning! lol

Rest of cycle is going well.... staying at a constant weight of 88kg so I need to adjust either my diet or exercises!

Peace

LoL, glad you enjoyed it

Hey Guys,

Update,

Got 3weeks to go on my 10week cycle of SuperTest 320 and Test Prop. Shot up from 81kg to 89kg and been stuck on there for the last 3weeks now. Diet has not changed dramaticaly as well as my training. Mostly water weight but hope to keep as much as I can. Got my PCT in place.

Planning on starting my next cycle to "cut" down for the summer. Would give enough time off though and was thinking on end of september.

What I was thinking is just a quick ester cycle like Test Prop and Anavar for 8weeks.

What would you guys suggest the doses ofthe Anavar should look like and if one can cut down on a test cycle like that?
Should I add something like Winstrol to get the "hard" look or should the test be fine with a good diet and lots of cardio.

Reason for the test prop is to maintain most of the muscle while slimming down and the Anavar i read was to get the strenght as well as the "hardend" look.

any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks guys

Front load is generally know to be higher doses with very long ester compounds for the first 2 or 3 shots. EG Equi.
Reasoning behind this is to get a nice kick mid cycle and ride that wave till levels taper.

A blend is not ideal for a front load as it usually has some short esters in there and those will kick nicely, but it may impact results towards the end of the cycle due to cortizol levels rising very fast or faster (causing spikes) than you would like them to rise to equal out the erogenous compounds in your cycle. Also, aromatization could become an issue earlier if you are using something that does aromatize. Ideally you want a nice smooth level of concentration in your blood and avoid spiking. Spiking is where the problems begin with harsh sides.

As an example:
Test cyp, inject once a week vs twice a week. You seem to get more sides with once a week mainly due to the spike in levels. Seen this many times and then guys complain about consistency in batches when its actually just a simple
administration thing.

I hope you have accounted for this and have oral winstrol or proviron to counteract this and increase gains in the later part of your cycle.

Kick start would be short acting orals in a medium ester cycle. Mainly when the compounds take 4 -5 weeks to get to peak concentration and start working properly. D-Bol/Anapolon is a good oral to use for that when you doing an enanthate pr cypionate cycle.

There is no hard and fast rule when it comes to wording or phrases, but allot of the old school guys stick to this type of phrasing when they talk about the above.

I also use front load with orals and kick start with orals, as long as the guys know what you talking about its all good.

As for the super test. Its a high concentration mix and that into a muscle that is not seasoned will hurt. Stick to glute shots as that is the site most used to administer your injections. That muscle is seasoned and can take more of a hammering that any other muscle group. Its also a larger muscle group than your shoulder.

jacquespa wrote: Hey Guys,

Update,

Got 3weeks to go on my 10week cycle of SuperTest 320 and Test Prop. Shot up from 81kg to 89kg and been stuck on there for the last 3weeks now. Diet has not changed dramaticaly as well as my training. Mostly water weight but hope to keep as much as I can. Got my PCT in place.

Planning on starting my next cycle to "cut" down for the summer. Would give enough time off though and was thinking on end of september.

What I was thinking is just a quick ester cycle like Test Prop and Anavar for 8weeks.

What would you guys suggest the doses ofthe Anavar should look like and if one can cut down on a test cycle like that?
Should I add something like Winstrol to get the "hard" look or should the test be fine with a good diet and lots of cardio.

Reason for the test prop is to maintain most of the muscle while slimming down and the Anavar i read was to get the strenght as well as the "hardend" look.

any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks guys

Just another question on top of the questions...

would it be wise to use Clenbuterol with my planned Test Prop cycle?

and if so, what should the doses look like?

cheers and thanks

Besides the obvious effect of weight loss, clen keeps you very anabolic. I would say a better place for your Clen is after PCT. 2 reasons .... 1.) the weight loss aspect 2.) Your biggest crash will happen 6 - 8 weeks after your course. Thus, the clen, keeping you anabolic will prevent this and you can still ride the wave and hang onto gains longer.

Your cutting cycle:
Prop is good, Var is good.
You can stack with the oil based winny and injection protocol will be the same EOD.

Doses:
Var 60 - 80 mg
Prop 1.5 - 2ml p/shot
Winny 0.5 - 1ml p/shot

6 - 8 weeks and you good.

Netro wrote: Besides the obvious effect of weight loss, clen keeps you very anabolic. I would say a better place for your Clen is after PCT. 2 reasons .... 1.) the weight loss aspect 2.) Your biggest crash will happen 6 - 8 weeks after your course. Thus, the clen, keeping you anabolic will prevent this and you can still ride the wave and hang onto gains longer.

Your cutting cycle:
Prop is good, Var is good.
You can stack with the oil based winny and injection protocol will be the same EOD.

Doses:
Var 60 - 80 mg
Prop 1.5 - 2ml p/shot
Winny 0.5 - 1ml p/shot

6 - 8 weeks and you good.

Thanks for the advice Netro! you da man!

Here is another question,

As I've mentioned, I have 3weeks to go of my 10week cycle of SuperTest 320 and Test Prop 100 twice weekly injections @ 1ml each per inj.

I jumped up from 81kg to 87kg in less than 4weeks. Here is my problem. I've been stuck on 88kg for the last 2weeks of inj. Diet and Training has not changed dramaticaly!

Why am I not gaining anymore serious weight? Did i reach the most wieght out of this specific type of cycle or this Test? or was the weight gained in the beginning mostly water and now i'm only gaining solid weight?

Thanks

Water bro,water.What AI are you using?

6kgs jump means u need 180 calories more each day so if u are eating 500 cals above your maintenance level u now only have an additional 320cals extra, bump cals up by 300 and see from there

dj how do i get hold of u would like some advice on a cycle am new