VEGA5's 2011 Cycle Plan

Hey Guys,

I've drawn up my proposed cycle for 2011 for you all to look at.
I also included my build up chart for some extra info.
Please give your opinions.


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Nice cycle bud. looking at doing something similar just swopping tren for npp and winny for anavar, other than that my cycle looks the same.

How will ur diet layout look like. Will u change it up when switching to the short ester part of ur cycle?

Thanks man! I've been thinking allot on how to structure this cycle and also speaking to a good friend that knows his stuff!

I normally diet on how I look and feel so yes it would probably stay pretty much the same depending on how my body responds.

Depends on how the year (finances) goes I might just add Kefei.

I've started kefei 3 weeks ago, so by the time i start my cycle i'll be a good three month's on already. Hopefully that with the cycle will bring some mean results. If the finances allow id definitively go for it.

Also i c no aromisan in the pct, why?

Fakey_AK wrote: Also i c no aromisan in the pct, why?

I've never used it in a PCT and I've always recovered 100% so didn't see the need.

That's one serious cycle Vega. I think I'm going to "steal" it later on in the year, albeit at lower doses. (Just have to organize a 2nd bond on the house to pay for it first.:laugh: )

Very well thought out imo. I am keen to do a Tren cycle for the first time and this looks excellent, although I won't run the Dbol for quite as long.

Interesting too that you run HCG throughout the cycle, especially with those doses.

Just a quick question, where did you get that graph that plots the drug levels from? I want to steal that too

Stop the test prop 14 days before pct. I dont see a point of starting hcg so early in the cycle, rather start around week 4. Without using an AI duting pct will result in high estrogen levels due to hcg. I would run the letto right through pct it will help with recovery, if not used the SERM will be some what ineffective, if estrogen is not low enough the piturity will not signal LH.

Pump,i dont think that Letro is a good idea through a pct,u can get away with A-dex or aromasin but letro no... there is gonna be a massive estrogen rebound after the pct if you use Letro....

DJ wrote: Pump,i dont think that Letro is a good idea through a pct,u can get away with A-dex or aromasin but letro no... there is gonna be a massive estrogen rebound after the pct if you use Letro....

Exactly why I never included it into my PCT.

You can only get rebound if you are using something that will raise estrogen. If you continue the letro a week longer than hcg and tapper off, you will not have rebound. If you dont use an AI and you using hcg it will not be effective. If you sytheticaly increase LH by using HCG, it raises estrogen. A SERM only works by binding to the ER, if you have to much free estrogen floating around the piturity cannot be signaled stating hey estrogen is low so testosterone must be low, let me increase LH. So all you doing is sythetically increasing LH so your bapls drop however your PCT is not effective. Letro only is an effective PCT the rebound will not shut you down, nor is it suppresive. If you supress estrogen to much your libido will be low, not your testosterone. I am talking about using 0.25mg letro eod. Dont run the hcg in your PCT unless you use aromasin, adex or letro. Your brain needs to increase testosterone or you not recovering.

I am back at work on Tuesday and ill give you more scientific proof hard to type on my phone. I will only podt trials done with Letro thst shows how effective it is in raising testosterone..

i dont agree,to be honest,i dont have the scientific data on this,BUT i do how ever have practical experience on this,guys leading up to shows drop any thing that has potential to aromatize such as test! they drop it completely,then add in AI's such as letro... now the days after the show,the letro is dropped and i have had 3 guys nearly wanna kill themselves because of the depression that hits post competition from estrogen rebound!Conan suggested to me that the guys post competition take a shot of test,be it prop for a week or two or even a long ester,to balance out those hormones before starting a pct a couple weeks later...letro is very suppressive,hence i wouldn't use letro,only aromasion or arimadex during that pct time....

i dont find a-dex or aromasin as suppressive as letro...i agree with your science in the above statement,i just find that letro WAY to suppressive even at low dose...

DJ what doses of Letro did those BB's use? Pump's advice is to only use .25mg EOD. Would you still get such a massive rebound at those doses?

I can understand that, thats why 0.25 eod, letro has a very long half life, go down to 1 drop eod then 1 drop every 4th day, etc. I do agree with you letro isnt the best option, as its extremely difficult to dose, thst is whu aronasin is so important, adex second.. the major point of this is not to run hcg during pct unless you supressing the estrogen or the SERM can not help you recovrry properly and a blood test 4 weeks after discontinued use of hcg will prove this. Tests directly after PCT will yield much different results to tests weeks after. Anyway i do agree with you DJ Letro unless you know your body inside out, is not ideal.. i will never use Letro again after LP gave me adex, i know my body well but letro is just to much for me.

pretty awesome cycle there but 8 weeks of dbol?

SNOK1986 wrote: pretty awesome cycle there but 8 weeks of dbol?

I've been assured by a very knowledgable person on anabolics that it will do absolutely no harm as long as I take my Legalon religiously!

Its a new thing to me too and goes against everything that I've learnt up to now.

I honestly think the dbol is way to long, even if a doc said its safe i wouldnt care.

Vega, please email me that program you use to get blood concentrations... I want to study how it works an try make an online one for the new website.

alot of the top steroid guys recon u can use dbol for longer than 4-6weeks,i mean look at some of william Llewellyn's cycles he has created,the ones with dbol do have them for longer than 4 weeks,he is one of the top if not the top steroid guy in the world(interms of knowledge of substances) i think that taking precautions pre and post dbol usage will be fine to run them slightly longer,dbol has great benefits other than just kick starting a cycle...

admin wrote: Vega, please email me that program you use to get blood concentrations... I want to study how it works an try make an online one for the new website.

Ja, that would be great. Also want it.

I would be very scared running D-bol for that long especially together with high doses of testen and tren E as well as Letro. Hopefully Legalon will be enough to save your liver.
Other than that it looks like a really nice cycle. I would possibly add tren A at the end and run it with the prop to PCT. Also alternate the Heat with Clen, but I suppose you have to draw the line somewhere otherwise you end up having to mortgage your house. Good luck Vega, you're gonna get huuuge.

i recently ran a my cycle with a tren en,equi,supertest,test prop and dbol for 10 weeks,pre loaded the cycle with legalon and essential, went to the doc the other day 3 weeks post dbol use and she said my liver was back to normal...i think we are over looking this,yes it is liver toxic,but you can bounce back from it....BTW that part of the cycle gave me the best gains i have ever ever ever had...

vega5 wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote: pretty awesome cycle there but 8 weeks of dbol?

I've been assured by a very knowledgable person on anabolics that it will do absolutely no harm as long as I take my Legalon religiously!

Its a new thing to me too and goes against everything that I've learnt up to now.

For me personally I wouldn't take the chance I'd use the extra lil bit of money for more proviron and increase the dosage.

DJ wrote: i recently ran a my cycle with a tren en,equi,supertest,test prop and dbol for 10 weeks,pre loaded the cycle with legalon and essential, went to the doc the other day 3 weeks post dbol use and she said my liver was back to normal...i think we are over looking this,yes it is liver toxic,but you can bounce back from it....BTW that part of the cycle gave me the best gains i have ever ever ever had...

Are you on your cutting phase of your cycle now, DJ? Hows it working out for you?

yup... working out well,i wish i was still on the lean bulk side of things... lol... move vasular than ever,and i dont have an issue with getting vascular as snok1986 will agree...