My cycle thread

howzit guys,

I've just finished the first week of my cycle,
450mg test - PGW, 700mg equi - PGW,
and 35mg dbol - BD.
Im 88.6kg and 15.1% BF

I hav not picked up any weight on the scale or had any strength increase yet but my shirts do seem tighter.

I hav decided to up my test dose to 600mg p/w and the dbol will be run at 30mg p/d till they run out.(i am taking them in split dosages as suggested by Netro and Mxt, with 5mg an hour before training and 5mg directly after)

dosages for this coming week,
600mg test, 1ml - Sun and Thurs,
350mg Equi, 1ml - Sun,
30mg dbol p/d

Should i hav seen more results already?

i haven't had any ill side effects aside from a nasty bruise left by the test so all is well,

will keep updating this thread as the weeks continue.

cheers

ummm its your first week,equi u will only see kicking in at about 5weeks and test after i'd say 3 weeks,the dbol should give u more strength...give it a week or two champ,i think u will be pleasantly surprised

ok shot Dj, i was only expecting results from the dbol but wen i got nothing i was a bit bleak.. ha ha im looking forward to the coming weeks, i know its extremely hard to judge how much u'll get from a cycle but how much do u think ill gain?

Inject your Equi and Test together, you will get better and more constant levels and thus improve your gains. You inject test Sun and Thurs, so inject 0.5ml Equi on those days as well. You can up your D-Bol to 50mg as 35mg is pretty low and you should have felt an awesome pump from the D-Bol already.

ok will do, i've already had my weekend shots so will start that next time i shoot. Its possible to mix the test and Equi together hey?

Sure, you can mix them no problem

ok cool thanks will let you know how everything goes.
i only hav 1 coarse of BD dbol so im gona go 40mg p/d
till they run out, hopefully the test will hav kicked in by then.

Howzit guys, just an update..
i've just finished my 2nd week.

Weight is fluctuating a bit but i've gained a solid 1kg,

Been having great workouts, strength hasn't increase but my attitude has been positive and are pushing hard.

Im looking a bit leaner(might be the test) but im happy with any results so far. I've got a couple days left of dbol so hoping for the test to start kicking in.

Still no side effects yet, pretty thankful for..

dosages for this coming week
Test 600mg, 1ml Sun + Thurs
Equi 350mg, 0.5ml Sun + Thurs
dbol 40mg till they run out.

cheers

are u running proviron or anything to stop water retention etc? coz dbol its very normal to put on a kg a week(not all muscle,quite a bit of water retention) and it normally kicks in quick!

No im not hey,
its been 15 days so far and not many results so a bit disappointed with the dbol, anyways had an amazing session today, either the test is kicking in or its all in my head but training is improving;)

thats very odd...i mean i been on dbol for 2 days and already noticing a diff... slightly more puffy from the water...

i know i also found it strange, i was running it at 35mg p/d then went to 40mg p/d and no luck..

Which brand are you taking?

im running the pink British dispensary 5mg ones and u?

same hey, how many mg p/d u running?

i left mine at home today and so borrowed a couple from my mate and had quite a mean session!!
anyways over them,
now im keen for my injectables to start their magic:P

everyone says 20mg a day is too little but to be honest i only use to use 20mg a day and worked fine hey! this cycle now im running 40mg/day but 2nd week im dropping to 30 and keeping it at that! lol first week im running some test prop i had left just to help the frontload a bit! but only took the first shot of prop today and then next on friday and then enanth will start rising my test levelsby next week so lets see

just completed my 3rd week,
Im up a total of 3.8 kg

Strength increase has been pretty decent!
Training is going very well. Injections hav become virtualy painless since i started mixing the test with the equi which is quite nice.:silly:

weight and strength is increasing steadily as is expected of equi.

dosages for this coming week
Test 600mg, 1ml Sun + Thurs
Equi 350mg, 0.5ml Sun + Thurs

until next week,
cheers.

Howzit guys, just finished my 4th week,

Had a dip in weight early last week and dropped 1kg,
don't know wat caused it, wasn't sleeping well maybe that was it,

Anyways gained it back since friday so stoked:)
strength is still gradually increasing,

Dosages are the same for the next week,

I was just wondering if i should throw in some HEAT to lose a bit of bodyfat,
i know this will bring down my net weight gain but ill be more energetic for training and leaner in the end?

Id say get hold of Proviron - i was running 100mg/day and it sure got rid of the fat and water.
It will enhance the effect of the other compunds as well. Run 50mg/day.

ok ill try some shot jackrabbit!

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Id say get hold of Proviron - i was running 100mg/day and it sure got rid of the fat and water.
It will enhance the effect of the other compunds as well. Run 50mg/day.

proviron for fat loss..hmmmm interesting... never heard or thought of that one...

Water yes, fat not too sure on that one either.

well i dunno how people get fat loss outta kessar so maybe its the same hey netro?

Probably just a miss interpretation. Look Kessar and Proviron can dry you up, so the assumption is often made that it will help with fat loss when is actually water it gets rid of. Guys often mistake fat and water when on cycle, so you can understand the reasoning behind the statement.

hey guys, i got the info here: www.steroid.com/Proviron.php

I'll cut the core issue:

Let´s delve into some of the positive points of this drug before we go any farther. Androgen Receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(5), and whilethey act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(3) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(6)(2). As if that´s not enough good news, some steroids (notably, testosterone) even increase the numbers of A.R. in muscle and fat (9)(7). Thus, if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you´ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other.

So what we have here is a steroid which can basically make other steroids more effective by preventing their conversion into estrogen, as well as increasing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body. This of course all provides a more hardened and quality look to muscles. Proviron is very much a "synergistic" drug in this respect, and it´s inclusion in any cycle would definitely make all of the other steroids perform better, and provide better gains. This is all compounded by the fact that proviron is a very lipolytic (fat-burning) drug.

Now, as if all of this weren´t enough, let´s talk about how Proviron affects your HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis)& the thing that regulates the male hormonal system. When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive "bridge" between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (.

I agree and disagree. I agree with the points of free test and making the most out of your cycle whilst adding proviron, but I still do not see this as a fat burning compound and if it aids the burning of fat as a "side effect" then bonus, but would never suggest it as a fat burner. Interesting fact that was not mentioned is that test in any cycle will aid fat loss, even a bulking cycle and have seen many guys loose BF and a visible loss when the goal is to bulk, this is due to the test inclusion. Have you ever seen or known of a guy with high test levels to be fat?

The disagree, using it as a bridge or part of your PCT. I have read many articles to contradict this one and the say that it does affect HPTA and a better inclusion is in the cycle than between or after. IMO any type of erogenous testosterone will affect your natural production and should be excluded when the goal is to get the natural hormone production up and running.

I am open to debate here and we all have interpretations of articles and just which we prefer to follow.