Anavar cycle and pct

Hmm, if you looking for a long cycle without the use of needles then I would recommend Primobolan Acetate, you can pop those caps like they smarties. Anavar is a very disciplined cycle, that allows no mistakes if you wanting to achieve results, it's nowhere as forgiving as your highly ananbolic/androgenic steroids like testosterone. When you commit to an Anavar cycle, you need to commit to complete and utter focus for 6 weeks.

@ 00 pump: Bud can you pls check out my questions 2 posts earlier. I would appreciate your input. Thanks!

ABC01 wrote: Im going to cut into my time off and start this baby in 2 weeks time. Just want to chech something regarding the T3:

1. Is it adviseable to only run this for 6 weeks of my 9 weeks or can i go longer?
2. How long should i run the solal thyroid support and should i only start with it after i finished the T3?

Im going to take legalon 70 at 2 tabs (maybe 3tabs) per day during the cycle and continue for 1 month afterwards. Is this fine?

I don't know enough about Thyroid medicine as I am one of those freaks that can eat what I want and stay lean. I don't like the idea of playing with the thyroid either unless you have a thyroid problem. I'm a firm believer in only using what you have to, and I feel that is just asking for problems if we mess with things like that.

Other members on the forum will tell you it is fine and safe and you don't need to worry about it as the thyroid returns to normal, specialists I have spoken to tell me the complete opposite. It's the same as supplementing melatonin, it is believed that just a few days could cause your body to shut down creating melatonin itself.

It is the same with anything we put in our bodies that is created naturally, our bodies adapt but most of the time if it's too long they don't find a way to counter act the shift in hormone changes. For example, using Steroids suppress our natural test levels, when we very young, under 23, our bodies seem to be able to recover fine without PCT medications (not that i'm advising you to not do a PCT) however our bodies are still at that stage when it is pumping hormones, however as we get older we are dependent on some serious drugs for our bodies to recover. Now insulin works the same, you use insulin for to long your body will stop it's own supply, and I see nothing different about thyroid medication.

Again these are all decisions we need to make and live with the consequences, I am one of the few that has suffered nearly every side effect known to steroid users. And just because someone else doesn't have the same complications as I do doesn't mean those complications don't exist.

All i'm saying is go speak to your doctor and ask him/her if they advise using thyroid medicine and don't have a thyroid issue. Many steroids have a firm affirmation on progesterone and progesterone has a diverse reaction on our thyroid, so it's better to try and work out what is causing a problem than just trying to self medicate because you have the ability to source some or other drug.

Sorry I didn't give you the answer you where looking for.

JB wrote: What is the purpose of the T3 in the cycle? For cutting up or does it promote anabolism in some way?

I've experienced some muscle wasting on T3 but my protein intake was definitely not on par; and compared to DJ's advice of 40mcg per day I was perhaps overdosing at 100mcg.

Good read so far as I'm considering trying out Anavar only to see what it's all about. Always take winny, but tired of needles after last cycle. I might throw in my other to favourites boldebol and proviron.

JB, I have also been running T3 at 100mcg. Tried 40mcg but it didn't touch sides. I'm gonna stick to 100mcg, suppose some people need higher doses for optimal effects. As long as my thyroid support is in order all will be well.

Thanks for all the input guys!

Im going to stick to 6 weeks T3 (will ask my dr about it first when i go pick up my blood results today or monday) since most websites i visited is of the opinion that you should not go longer. Will also stick to the 40mcg dosage.

I will keep a weekly log of my cycle sraight through to last day of PCT for anybody that is keen running simular cycle in future. Im starting monday 28 Feb 2011.

My final cycle looks like this:

Week 1-9: Anavar 80mg/day
Week 1-6: Proviron 40mg/day
Week 7-9: Proviron 60mg/day
Week 1-6 or week 4-9: T3 40mcg/day
Week 8-9: HCG @ 500IU eod
Week 10: nolvadex 40mg/day
Week 11-12: nolvadex 20mg/day

Supplements:
Pre workout: Muscle Marinade
Intra workout: size on pre contest
Post workout: 40gram whey with 10g glutamine
Off days i'll supplement with a ethyl esther creatine in the mornings
Taking 2 or 3 tabs of legalon daily during cycle, PCT and continue for 1 month after pct. Will add solal thyroid support for 2 months after T3

Also taking ZMA at night and my normal omega 3; multi vit; extra vit c as usual. Diet is in check. Previous diet i got from DJ which works wonders even if i dont follow it to the T.

Will keep you guys posted

00pump how effective will a primo only cycle be?a long cycle with primo and equi...awesome but can it be done without test?

OK guys im starting my log now which i will update weekly for those interested in simular cycle. Cycle posted few posts earlier

Started on monday this week: 78.6kg; bf 11.3%; 33years (34 in 2 weeks); 1.77m tall; Goal: dont really care about my end weight but would like to end at 8 to 9 % bf. Hard and tones main goal.

Training programme:
Day 1: Chest/shoulders/abs
Day 2: legs
Day 3: Back/biceps/triceps/forearms/abs
Will start then from day 1 with max gym days at 4 days/week.
Cardio 6 days of the week so that mean i would have 2 training sessions most days. Cardio consists of cycling for 1.5-3hrs (depending on if its race or not) with evening cardio session 45min spinning class. Weekdays i try do 1.5hrs in the mornings at various intensities with races on wknd or longer slower rides.

Will keep you guys posted. Happy trianing:)

DJ wrote: guys,t3 doesnt have to be run at big doses,you can get away with 20mcg twice a day, for the first 4 weeks,if u start feeling its waring off ,then add in another 20mcg... i have been using 20mcg twice daily and its been the best ever,and i have run up to 120mcg of t3 a day.

DJ, always wondered about that twice a day dosage. I see you set it out like that in one of your cutting cycles (thanks for that btw). Just wondering why you don't take it all in one dose?
Also, I felt nothing until I went above 50mcg a day. I think maybe optimum dosages vary from person to person? (Although I wouldn't recommend running more than 100mcg p/d for more than a few weeks). Then tapering down.
50mcg p/d seems to be a good "maintenance" dose for me personally.

ABC01 wrote: Im going to cut into my time off and start this baby in 2 weeks time. Just want to chech something regarding the T3:

1. Is it adviseable to only run this for 6 weeks of my 9 weeks or can i go longer?
2. How long should i run the solal thyroid support and should i only start with it after i finished the T3?

There were a lot of horror stories floating around the net a few years ago about T3, but they were mainly just bullshit. I am not saying there are no risks involved, but seriously it's a much safer drug than most people think.
There have been studies done where people have used T3 for years and thyroid activity has returned to normal in just 3 weeks. In one case someone ran it for 30 years with no thyroid damage done whatsoever.
If you don't do anything stupid, and you taper down, you can easily run it for longer than 6 weeks.
Of course the best thing, when in doubt, is to have bloods done.

Hey guys! I'll post my progress next monday (decided on every 2nd week). I just have few questions pls

1. Im getting muscle twitches since starting this cycle. Occational twitching of biceps, delts and quads. Allot of twitching of my pinkie on right hand. Is this normal with anavar cycle?

2. I feel like i might be holding some water. According to my reading there should not be a water retention problem with var. Im also taking proviron with it so its weird. Started with T3 on tuesday. Should i add something like letro?

Ok im 2 weeks in now and weight is 79.5kg. I feel a bit tighter and fuller but i dont know if it is because i expect to be reacting to the var and proviron allready. No major strength increases noted so far. How long would this cycle actually take to start seeing strength gains and visible changes?

Im very good keeping my diet clean. Tomorow will be 1 week on T3. Muscle twitching went away but the pinkie twitching is still constant (dont know if its related to cycle). Having daily nose bleads since starting the T3 (also dont know if its related). Only doing 50mcg so far. Im going to work it up to 100mcg

Hi ABC01, apparently it is a common side effect of Anavar, attached is an interesting read on it.
forums.steroid.com/archive/index.php/t-241944.html

Koe007 wrote: Hi ABC01, apparently it is a common side effect of Anavar, attached is an interesting read on it.
forums.steroid.com/archive/index.php/t-241944.html

Thanks bud! Seems like i will have a twitching pinkie for the next 7 weeks then:laugh:

3 weeks in now and still at 79.5kg. So after 3 weeks i gained 1 kg and lost a belt size. This is on par with what im trying to do so im happy so far.

Not really feeling any real strength increases in gym yet but im starting to see visual differences in my body. It seems to work on the shape of the muscle. Quite a clever chemical i think. According to reviews i've came across i see that most people feel the strength increases around week 4 so this coming week should be interesting. Currently running the T3 at 80mcg. Im 2 weeks into my 6 weeks of T3. Looking to add tridenosen into the mix but dont know if i should drop the muscle marinade when using the tridenosen pre workout. (as i posted on the tridenosen thread).

Finger twitch went away but nose bleeds still here. Get about 2 to 3 nose bleeds per day

In summary then: after 3 weeks im looking leaner and bit more defined. Still waiting for the trength increases

OK so 4 weeks in and im sitting at 78.6kg! Since the 80mcg T3 mark i could really start feeling it work. Im at 100mcg now for another week and then cycling down. The T3 is very potent!

Still not really seeing any major strength increases. Loving what im seeing happening to my body. Dont think i've been toned like this in long time and still 5 weeks to go.

My diet is in check (DJ diet from a year ago). So i dont think im loosing muscle but def fat. Im cutting my carbs on the diet to the minimum to fuel my activities. Basically carbs with breakfast and lunch and maybe small amounnt with dinner. No carbs during or after workout either. It works well for me sofar

I want to change my workout routine in the last 3 to 4 weeks. Currently doing all my excercises in drop sets. Doing 12 reps with heavy weight and then immediatly drop to a lower weight i do max reps (about 30% less weight). 2min rest and then 1 more set. Doing this for all my excersises. Looking to change to 4 x sets of 10 reps in last 3 or 4 weeks. In other words train heavier for those 3 to 4 weeks.

Is this good/bad idea changing?

Seems like the Var is doing exactly what it should, if you sustaining muscle while on T3 and you losing bodyfat, that means you putting on lean muscle mass, are you using creatine? Strength comes by including creatine too, Anavar gives mind blowing strength but you need to fuel your workout with Carbs to achieve this.. How many carbs are you taking pre-workout?

ABC01 wrote: Im going to cut into my time off and start this baby in 2 weeks time. Just want to chech something regarding the T3:

1. Is it adviseable to only run this for 6 weeks of my 9 weeks or can i go longer?
2. How long should i run the solal thyroid support and should i only start with it after i finished the T3?

Im going to take legalon 70 at 2 tabs (maybe 3tabs) per day during the cycle and continue for 1 month afterwards. Is this fine?

Imo you can run T3 for the full 9 weeks. Just make sure you taper down and then run thyroid support after you finish. T3 has it's risks, like anything else, but it's not nearly as bad as some people make out.
I've answered this in another thread, but thyroid function returns to normal pretty quickly (usually within 3 weeks) even after running it for 6 months, in most people. However, like I always say, when running anything for the first time, ALWAYS err on the side of caution.
Having said all of that, I really think 9 weeks is fine for just about anybody.

Training-wise, yes do increase weight to get some growth out of the var and enjoy the lekker strength benefits. Seriously pre- and post workout carbs will not make you fat dude. Its the total amount of carbs per day you should be worried about, if you're only eating breakfast-, pre- and post carbs (which is what DJ recommends btw).

00pump wrote: Seems like the Var is doing exactly what it should, if you sustaining muscle while on T3 and you losing bodyfat, that means you putting on lean muscle mass, are you using creatine? Strength comes by including creatine too, Anavar gives mind blowing strength but you need to fuel your workout with Carbs to achieve this.. How many carbs are you taking pre-workout?

My pre workout and intra workout supplements contain creatine. On the days i dont workout i take ethyl esther creatine. My carbs ar bisically as follows. 40grams carbs with breakfast and 40 grams with lunch. 10 to 20grams with dinner (maybe). If workout in morning its on empty stomach with my breakfast containing 45grams whey and 45grams carbs directly afterwards. Over wknd when i do 2 to 3 hr cardio sessions (cycling) i consume 50grans of carbs during the session. Im not lacking energy at all or feel weaker in the weight department. Im very happy with what im seeing at this stage

Any feedback on the intended training change?

You will feel weak if you not having carbs before a weight session. Why on earth are you training weights without carbs? Yes, maybe if you doing low intensity cardio, but I would honestly have food in your stomach before weight training, you don't even really need protein even though it will help you become anabolic, but carbs are very important.. Are you on a diet from DJ or just doing your own thing?

no he got a diet from me a while back.

Still don't feel you should be training in the morning on an empty stomach

I reckon i can squeeze down a whey shake before workout in the morning, I just find it hard to stomach food at 4h45 in the morning. Im going to go over to my 4 x 10 reps idea with increasing weight from next week. I have nice definition now and maybe that will just add some size to the frame. This workout will also give me a better judgement on the strength increases while on var. Will go with that pre workout morning shakes as well. Thanks for info guys.

Just on the DJ diet thing. He suggests i take carbs around my workouts. I just minimized my carb intake to cut down some more.

Then listen to him if you can't stomach things then try Waxy Maze in your whey first thing in the morning, just a small amount to get you going..

5 weeks in and weighting in at 78kg. The T3 is the shizzz but i can see now why you should not use it while off cycle. Only sides at this stage is still the bloody nose but its part of my day by now. Im happy with what im seeing so farLost almost 3 belt sizes. Was sitting at 11.3% bf before cycle so it was'nt like it was obese to start with. Will see in this week how the var does in the strength department