choosing my first cycle

Bear
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18 Jan 2011 20:43 #59602 by Bear

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Hi,
I would really like some advice as to what cycle is good for a first timer
i am 30years old 105kg and 25% bf.
i have been training solid for about a year now. i feel i am at a good level to do a cycle
i really want to shed the fat and build lean muscle at the same time.
i cant seem to shed the extra pounds
so am currently on Duromine 30mg to help burn.

I have some mates who are on cycles but id like to get some better advice
can any one point me in the correct direction

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spike
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18 Jan 2011 21:07 #59603 by spike

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I think you should focus on getting that bodyfat lower before you try steroids. Stick to fat burners for now.

A bodyfat of 25% is only gonna increase with the use of anabolics. General rule of thumb is to get it as low as 12-15% at least before

Um, but im scared of needles...

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Bear
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18 Jan 2011 21:15 #59604 by Bear

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thanks for the advice

i am on duromine
and i will be getting clenbuterol tomorrow
can you suggest anything else
i have added 3 extra cardio days

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spike
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19 Jan 2011 04:26 #59605 by spike

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Diet? How is it?

Um, but im scared of needles...

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vega5
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19 Jan 2011 04:26 #59606 by vega5

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Hey Bear,

Yeah you'll need to bring down you're body fat a bit before hitting a cycle.

I'd suggest that you also look at Heat.

On the duramine, I'm not a big fan of men using it as it severely suppresses your appetite and for men we have to maintain a higher lever of body mass which is achieved by eating regular meals with decent amounts of food.

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STUARTF
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19 Jan 2011 05:42 #59610 by STUARTF

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If you are going to combine Heat and clen alternating every two weeks remember to take something like betasleep or ketotifin to help up-regulate beta-receptors (Eph and clen target the same beta-receptor sites).

Also note that these fat-burners will be useless without a good diet and cardio.

"Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda
"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 06:03 #59612 by Bear

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this is the diet i have just started about a week and a half ago

7:00 1&1/2 cup oats
10:00 2eggs two slices of howl wheat bread
12:00 lentils and brown rice
15:00 salad or eggs and fruit
18:00 really good low gi meal
20:00 fruit
21:00 protein shake and bed

i drink about 3 ltr water a day
i have cut out all butter, sugar
i am on a 3day split workout for size and strength
i also do 3 days cardio
i am going to start throwing in some 20-25 sets in my workout

i agree with all the advice and thank you so much for the help. i always thought doing a cycle would do all the cutting for me!!1

i will be starting clenbuterol today but as i am in Botswana i cant get eph.

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 06:08 #59613 by Bear

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Hi vega5 could you please tell me what "heat" is?

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Empire
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19 Jan 2011 06:22 #59615 by Empire

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www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/dieting...on/56925-dieting-101

you diet is shit... you are not weighing anything,not enough protein, you can take all the steroids in the world,diet is 80% of that work,its like trying to build a house with only 10 bricks some sand and some cement...not gonna work...

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 07:01 #59618 by Bear

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ye your right i have always struggled with my diet..
if i eat to much then i feel i put on weight.
guess i need to take my diet more serious i know how important it is.

thanks for your help guys!

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Etwa
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19 Jan 2011 07:38 #59620 by Etwa

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Bear DJ is right (he is so diplomatic, but says it like it is :-)

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Eating more does not always mean you will be putting on weight, eating 6-7 meals a day that are balanced and "clean" will actually help you loose weight. Have a look at the link DJ posted because it really says it all.

If i was you though this is what i would do:
1. read the link DJ sent and change your diet, ask questions here if you get confused.
2. in addition to your weight training, up your cardio to 5 days a week, 20-30 min per day
3. if you want to take clen then listen to Stuart and alternate evey 2 weeks with another eca stack (if available)

Good luck bud!

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 07:55 #59622 by Bear

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hey Etwa,
i have started reading the link from dj, it is allot to take in so i will need to spend more time on it. It really is great that there are guys out there whom are willing to help. thumbs up to you all.
i will keep you all posted on my progress
just one more question can i get ephedrine chloride in pharmacies in south africa
i have a willing gp who would write me a scrip.

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STUARTF
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19 Jan 2011 12:39 #59643 by STUARTF

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Yes you can but it is schedule 6. Comes in 50g bottle and sold as Eph.. hydrochloride. Pharmacists are going to be very weary handing it over, even if you have a script. Worth a try though.

"Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda
"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Empire
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19 Jan 2011 12:59 #59649 by Empire

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stuart they used to be 20g bottles,and they wont sell it anymore... there is such a lock down on that... only underground sources will be able to get it...

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 13:06 #59650 by Bear

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if only i knew some underground sources.
would i need underground sources for clen this seems to be hard to find aswell

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STUARTF
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19 Jan 2011 13:23 #59653 by STUARTF

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DJ wrote: stuart they used to be 20g bottles,and they wont sell it anymore... there is such a lock down on that... only underground sources will be able to get it...

Yeah, I would imagine it would be like that especially with the clamp downs on meth and cat labs round the country.

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"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 15:54 #59665 by Bear

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Alright guys progress!!
i printed out the nutrition advice that dj give me and am working with a personal trainer to get that sorted!
i have also located some clen!
can i get some advice as to what kind i should get ( viles or pills)
quantity and strength ext
thanks

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Bear
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19 Jan 2011 21:08 #59676 by Bear

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STUARTF

If i understand correctly i should do heat for two weeks then clen for two weeks?
if they target the same receptors would that not defeat the purpose of alternating the 2 week cycle?

i know this is prob so easy to understand but i really want the best advice!

so if i use clen or heat is it good to alternate with them or should i use something else to alternate with?

i hope i am making sense

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spike
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20 Jan 2011 05:01 #59678 by spike

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Yes it is good to alternate between them. Heat (eph) does target the same receptors but it doesnt downgrade to the same degree as clen. One can normally do Heat fairly continuously, but Clen has to be cycled for best results. Anyway, you can use Betasleep daily do upregulate your receptors

Um, but im scared of needles...

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Bear
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20 Jan 2011 05:17 #59679 by Bear

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Thanks Spike
watch this space and ill get back to you when my BF% and diet are up to scratch for my first cycle!

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Etwa
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20 Jan 2011 07:24 #59684 by Etwa

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your body gets used to the constant clen usage hence why we suggesting you cycle it.

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STUARTF
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20 Jan 2011 08:13 #59692 by STUARTF

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Eph.. stimulates the release of noradrenaline which has a direct impact on beta-2 receptors. Clenbuterol targets the same beta-2 receptors so taking the two together is going to be counter productive - they are both going fight for the same receptor sites. One would need to combine something like ketotifen or betasleep to up-regulalate receptors if the Eph/clen are to be used together or cycled every two weeks.
When taking clen on its own one needs to cycle 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, to help receptors recover in the 2 week off period. Clen also loses its thermogenic effects after 6-8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal so a clen cycle shouldn't be longer than this. It is also advisable to taper up the dosage to your optimum dose and then taper down in the "2 week on" periods.

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"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Bear
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20 Jan 2011 13:57 #59742 by Bear

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Thanks guys, it could not be more clear.

on my quest to obtain my goodies i was told Anavar for 1-8 weeks at 60mg per day
with my Heat/clen would not hurt.

what do you guys think?

i am thinking concentrate on getting my bf down then do a serious cycle?
but i am open, i am in no rush and wanting to do things properly.

and one more question

which is the clen of choice clen/inject or oral liquid

thanks allot once again guys

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STUARTF
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20 Jan 2011 14:16 #59743 by STUARTF

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Rather wait until you've got your bf down to around 15% BF, then hit a cycle.

I would rather go for the clen tabs. Usually come in a bottle of 100 tabs, 40mcg each. Clen inj is also good but it requirs every day jabs which is a pain in the ass, excuse the pun.

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"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Bear
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20 Jan 2011 14:20 #59744 by Bear

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thanks bro u have been really helpful

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