expert knowledge needed...

I have just come into my off season as a novice body builder ( competed in my first comp three weeks ago) im needing to put some serious size on .. Im currently 93kgs at 10 percent body fat. Im 1 meter 80 and im looking to put some serious mass on. My cycle i want to take is as follws ... 50mg dbol every day for 3 weeks , tren A and prop for a week ( as its left over from my other course ) 20ml's of test e and 10 ml's of deca with proviron for 7 weeks. I also want to take HCG from the day one till the end .. whats are ur guys thoughts ?? pleaser let me know ur guys thoughts .. i want as much mass as possible .. hope u guys can help out ...

Firstly don't even waste your time taking the tren for 1 week.

Deca / Test will be perfect, I doubt that is enough deca also how do you expect any of us to know what mg/ml ratio is being used...

i will be splitting the course half a ml of deca monday with 1ml of test e and the same on thursday. Do u suggest i take more deca or larger doses ?? 20 mls for example and run 2mls a week for ten weeks ?

Pump is asking how much mg of Deca is in 1ml of the particular product you bought.

Yeah please speak mg not ml... We dont know what brand you're using and what the concentration is. The total ml is not important but the total mg is.

Also what are your previous cycles, how many? Age etc?

im taking the deca from PGW so its 350mg/ml

im 22 years old .. i have done a one course of test E 300 10 mls as my very first. Then did Sust 250 for my second. My third was deca 300 and 20mls of sust 250. My pre comp course was 30mls of test p 150 , 30mls of tren a 80 , winstrol, heat , clen , t3 , proviron. Im pct now with hcg and novadex at 40mg a day for 20 days.

Ok bud first off if u are doing pct already then u need some time off,rule of thumb is time on +pct = time off, if you are looking to comepete next year first off try find the date of the show u want to do and work 16weeks back from there,u can put on some size and cut back at the same time,but from now untill 16weeks before your show your diet needs to be crucial!! Try keep that body fat % down at about 10-12% and cut back on any cardio and get some good clean food in,u can still pack on some good lean mass between now and when you decide to start cutting down for your show.

i was wondering how long do i have to wait till i gear again .. im still eatting clean and only had one day of eatting dirty and that was the day after my comp. I have put on weight since then but im still lean .. i was wondering would it be worth while carb cycling ?? im hoping to compete end of next year again .. in october

what are the side effects from not waiting till thew full lenght of recovery ?? im not planning on doing it im just curious ??

the side effect is no real recovery. If you cycle back to back with no time in between your natural hormone levels cannot return to normal and restore homeostasis. This will mean eventual recovery will be limited and can result in effects such as low test levels and low sperm couunt/infertility.
Your organs also take strain during steroid cycles and no resr period means they are under continual stress, resulting in irreparable organ damage.

thanks for a knowledge was many guys dont tell u that .. i was on for 10 weeks and pct'ing for 3 weeks so in total my return to the gear is 13 weeks all together .. i have read articles that people like arnold never cycled as they didnt have the knowledge or the pct drugs .. is this a rumor or fact ?? surely going on gear non stop will make u shut down beyond a point of return ?? and when u waiting for ur next cycle is it possible to add mass so called naturally ?? i find i struggle to train as hard and as heavy ... how do u manage to keep ur gains and big a better platform for ur next course ? Also what are ur guys thoughts on DHEA ??? i have heard its good and done the research on it but i was wondering if anyone hand first hand experience with it ??? thanks once again for the insight and knowledge

Hey bud - welcome to the forum.

Look - Im not tryna be a smart ass, but Im a bit confused by your posts.

You say that you've run 4 or 5 cycles already (which in my book puts you beyond the "novice" bodybuilder notch) yet you ask questions like "how long do you have to stay off before starting a new cycle" or "what the side effects are should you choose to begin a new cycle before fully recovering"

These are questions that Im sure the most wet-behind-the-ears newbs (let alone a 5 cycle BBer) would know?

You dont seem to have done much research on AAS?

#just sayin...

Peace...

no i understand where u coming from and i appreciate ur opinion on the matter ... think is i have been told many different stories from Pro body builders ... some saying take 3 weeks off after pct and like u guys say duration on + pct is the recovery time .. i look at the Pro's and veteran and may be im gullable but i look at the shape they in or where in and i say to my self how can they be wrong . Trust me when i say i have done the research im just trying to find a clear cut answer as there are too many people contridicting one another where i am. Here everyone things they a doctor or might tell u another thing . I ask my questions to u guys cause he have the knowledge i have no doubt about that im just looking for i un biased opinion for some one who knows his gear. Im looking to better my body and hope to comp properly one day so im in it to win it. Im just need guys with more expereince to point in the direction of the do's and donts. I appreciate ur comments fully and i do totally agree they not the " sharpest questions i have ever asked," but im looking for a collective decision from the members in this forum so i can follow and practise it.

bro even hany rambod,george farah dave palumbo all pull their guys off gear for 3-4 months a year and they all do a pct in that off time!


you are in the right hands on this forum bro,i have helped plenty guys get in contest ready shape,some of them in the best conditioning ever,i recently helped a junior who won the WPF sa's and placed 2nd at WPF worlds!

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/13-body...e-diet-clients#55269

thats the thing .. where i am the competition and the preparation and all the workings of body building is a secret ... Pro's here wont help u or even share the slightest of knowledge ... i appreciate all the help and im confident u guys are "guru's" I have been told i have potential for the sport but i know without guidance and on hold expereince i wont excel as far as i would like ... thanks once again

remember this, those pro's who are using back to back may be in great shape, but this doesnt mean they are healthy. Many of the top dogs in this sport have health issues due to long term steroid use

Pro BB'ers gave you advice like that? I find this worying!

Im a novice but here goes the best advice for free:

Stop listening to any of the "pros" that gave you advice like that. By the sound of things they wont be around long anyway. Pay DJ a retainer fee and let him put together a competition regime for you. Will be the best money spend and the most progress for you - Gaurenteed!!

Good luck bud! The sport you chose is demanding and requires amazing self disciplen. Hang in there

thanks for the info and im very keen on that idea ... Thing is i live in Zim and the knowledge here is worse than a kick in the pants .. I have spoken to veterans who have won Mr SA back in the day and guys who have won there weight catergories in Comp's In south where u guys are and its terrible what they believe in ... How would i go about pay DJ a retainer fee as im starting to believe this is the only way forward. I have seen the guys DJ as worked with and i have majour respect for him and the athletes he mentored. I need the leading edge in the game so i can excel here and take it further ...

I know this is totally off topic but what are ur guys personal thoughts and expereince on insulin usage ??

bro to be honest dont play with insulin,there are so many dangers and not enough returns to be honest,i mean u can go into a coma or become insulin dependant diabetic or for 2-3kgs of muscle mass? i think its a stupid idea,u can do so much more with gear and diet to be 100% honest, u can get hold of me via the contact us button at the top of the page bro...

thanks for the info ... i was just curiuos as i have been doing some reading on it and wanted to know ur guys thoughts ...

As DJ said, not a good idea at all... That's 1 hormone I believe is not a wise idea to mess with..

Insulin is a no-no i think there is only one guy on the forum gearedup that uses insulin but he grew up with family that are insulin dependent so he knows all risks involved. It is such a schlep monitoring yourself every minute of the day, if it was me using i would be the guy in the coma