Oral front load alternative

Ok so I am planning my first cycle for early next year. Will prob be 10-12 weeks, some kinda test 500mg/week Split with clomid nolva pct.
Now i would like to do this without front loading with orals, but also dont wanna wait 4 to 6 weeks for it to kick in. So what are my options?
I was thinking of using sustanon instead of a test eth as some of the shorter esters will kick in sooner and the water retention will be less than test cyp.

Any suggestions appreciated.

There are 2 different options. Some guys run the test very high for first week or two to allow levels to maximise quicker (not sure about the scientific validity of this technique?). The other option is to frontload with test prop injections.

Yes sustanon will kick in sooner, but it'll still be a few weeks wait

Yeah, like spike said; add prop in the first couple of weeks.

Thanks, that does sound like a plan. What dosage do you think, 100mg EOD for 4 weeks? Would this effect my recovery and thus pct at the end? I think I will go this route if i use the test eth. If i decide on just sust then I may just leave out and keep the whole cycle as simple as possible.

Howzit fox.

Any particular reason why you are considering not going the route of the oral kicker this time?

Honestly, i am still in two minds about this. I'm just not too keen on the liver toxicity of orals. Initially I wanted to frontload with 40-60mg tbol for 4 weeks and may still do this along with essential and milk thistle. I have been keen to try the tbol for a while though but just weighing up my options right now.

Thats the thing, our bodies are so healthy before a cycle (well most of ours), and we put major impact on our kidenys and liver from the get go. so I think its wise you looking at using prop for a front load.

Any thoughts on how to structure this prop front load with test eth cycle. Dosage and duration of the front load. I will then make this a 10 weeker, proviron 9-12 and PCT of clomid + nolva.
Would i possibly need a more comprehensive PCT incl hcg as i will be shut down for pretty much the whole 10 weeks due to the prop taking effect almost immediately?

if you are doing test en at 600mg a week,i would use maybe 200-400mg a week for a front load, do monday,wednesday,friday,sunday jabs of 1/2ml test en and 1/2 - 1ml of prop do that for 2-4 weeks should give u a nice kicker

That looks sweet, suddenly i am very excited. Keeping in mind this is my first, will 600mg test not be to much initially, as i have no idea how i will react sides wise. Also what about pct.

A few stats:
Age: 29
Height: 182cm
Weight(once i reach 10%-12%): +- 85kg

then cut back to 450mg of test en and 150mg of prop a week, so 1/2 a ml of each monday,wednesday and friday

fox ... why dont you just start as soon as possible after you have done all your research ....next year seems so far away .. lol .. good time for bulking up and looking good for the beach in december ...:whistle:

but all your choice ..haha

I would love too but planning next year for a few reasons. I am coming off a longish lay-off from training and wanna get a good couple of months behind me again before i do this to get my strength up again and toughen up the tendon etc. I also wanna lean out as much as i can before then, trying to get to 10%. This is going well so far and the top abs and obliques are starting to show, arms and legs are naturally lean and am seeing definition i have not seen in a while.. I wanna do a clean bulk early in the year thus taking me into winter where getting in more calories is easier, and that will give me the rest of the year to solidify the gains I have made so when it comes time to cut up for the summer season it will be easier to hang on to the muscle. I will like to do a test equi cycle for this in the latter part of next year.

Or why not just use something like sustanon or a test mix by PGW that has short and longer acting esters in it?

Maybe still add the extra prop though.

That is also an option to look @. Maybe super test 320 @ 480mg/week + prop 100 @ 150/week. Will run this Monday,wed,fri for two weeks then stick to the super test for the remainder.

Guys us there a reason why just frontload with prop, what about suspension.
Is the main reason the kak injections that puts people off. What would you rate susp or prop better as a frontload

Prop, guys who use suspension are crazy

should i keep PCT at clomid and nolva or should i consider hcg. I am thinking of going for 12 weeks and may ad proviron from mid way through bridge till the day before pct.

Fox wrote: I would love too but planning next year for a few reasons. I am coming off a longish lay-off from training and wanna get a good couple of months behind me again before i do this to get my strength up again and toughen up the tendon etc. I also wanna lean out as much as i can before then, trying to get to 10%. This is going well so far and the top abs and obliques are starting to show, arms and legs are naturally lean and am seeing definition i have not seen in a while.. I wanna do a clean bulk early in the year thus taking me into winter where getting in more calories is easier, and that will give me the rest of the year to solidify the gains I have made so when it comes time to cut up for the summer season it will be easier to hang on to the muscle. I will like to do a test equi cycle for this in the latter part of next year.

Fox, I really admire your patience and your planning is impecable. I wouldn't have a clue what cycle I'm going to run at the end of next year. You definately have all your ducks in a row. Have some karma.

With regards to running HCG, yes, I think it will be needed if you are running a 12 week test cycle. You are going to need to give your balls a boost at cycle end.

Cool, thanks. I can tell you that the anticipation is gonna eat me whole :laugh:
I think I am gonna look at the full Doc. pct considering the extended length. I think it will also be nice to have some hcg on hand in case i wanna give the ol' nads a helping hand later on in the cycle.
Starting an extended clen cycle next week that will help get rid of some of this stubborn fat that's left.
Will do a full break down of the cycle, workout program and diet once finalized, and progress reports during.

shot for the input