Lean Mass Cycle (Older guy) - progress update

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23 Jun 2008 21:09 #4486 by Oupiel

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ok been on cycle for 1 week now (7 days)- some feedback
700mg Eq + 600mg Test En + 50mg Var /D
B-12 + B-Comp 2 x per week

initial doses upped as I'm not frontloading.
gained 2.5kg
feeling a bit stronger

minimal / no sides, a little water retention, no oily skin, etc. Balls haven't shrunk, nipples cool.
Eq hunger monster hasn't surfaced either. Temper a bit hot (always has been)

Week-2 doses
525mg Eq + 450mg Test En + 50mg Var /D
B-12 + B-Comp 2 x per week

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30 Jun 2008 21:02 #4648 by Oupiel

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2nd week complete

Gained another 1.3kg i.e. 3.8kg total gain
Feel a lot stronger: bench press up 10%, Squats up 20%.

Lost some fat, skin thinner and muscles harder.

Skin a bit oily, balls have shrunk a little, nipples cool.
Elbows & wrists a bit sore under load, not sure what that's about.

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30 Jun 2008 21:06 #4649 by Precision

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Great stuff, keep up the feedback!

How's the diet..

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30 Jun 2008 21:11 #4651 by Oupiel

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Diet is ok - getting better, lean, but I could be eating more. Work gets in the damn way, but hey it pays for my sins.
I have added another meal instead of a shake.

Also switched to a shake with a lower carb content

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07 Jul 2008 11:26 #4801 by Oupiel

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3rd week complete

Gained another 1.7kg i.e. 5.5kg total gain
Strength has levelled off.

More fat loss, a little more vascular.

Sides are cool

Got some general aches and pains that just feel like they are slowing me down, I suspect they are from the Anavar, but may just be getting old.

Have a week left on Anavar, so maybe I should just wait to see how things pan out, BUT I am thinking of maybe adding NPP to the mix.

I’m not sure if adding NPP will make me feel better.
Should I just stick to my original plan, add a small dose of NPP or replace the Equipoise with NPP?

If I do add NPP, what dose per week should I look at?

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15 Jul 2008 10:36 #4989 by Oupiel

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4th week complete

Gained another 1.3kg i.e. 6.8kg total gain
Strength increasing slowly but steadily. :woohoo:

Sides still ok, scalp itchy, and joints def. a bit achey. Stomach feels bloated the whole time.
Took the last Var on Sunday, so I will wait and see if I feel better.

Not that impressed with the Var so far, not sure I'll use it again. (Nomad Anavar):S

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16 Jul 2008 08:26 #4996 by acidkidsa

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I am on my last week on Nomad Var (30mg ED)

I am also not impressed either. Dont feel much ..

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16 Jul 2008 11:34 #4997 by Oupiel

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Shit dude, I started @ 50mg / day, after not feeling it "kick" I upped it to 80mg / day - thats if the nomad tabs contain 10mg per tabs????

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16 Jul 2008 11:42 #4998 by Netro

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The brand really has deteriorated badly, var is usually such a great compound. Think it's going to take quite a while before faith has been restored in Nomad again.

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16 Jul 2008 14:49 #5002 by Oupiel

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Hey, school fees!!!
WTF

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16 Jul 2008 15:01 #5003 by Netro

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Fair enough, just feel kak cause they used to have such a good rep. My gym partner went on a var course, Nomad @ 50mg pd and it rocked for him. More vascular, strength up. He was benching 2 extra plates and squat as well. That was Nov 07, since the new year only have been getting worse and worse.

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16 Jul 2008 15:18 #5004 by acidkidsa

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Well I got 5 tabs left. I will take them all at once.. Nothing is happening anyways..

I will wait a while and simply take some winnies again.. Its the only thing that worked in my last cycle ...

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26 Jul 2008 14:47 #5147 by Oupiel

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5th week complete (21st July)

Lost some weight (-0.8kg) i.e. total gain 5.9kg:unsure:
Had to use USN Pure Protein (Couldn't get Muscle Science Perfect Protein) Make of that what you will.
Also experimented with some ephedrine, so mabe that's accounts for the weight loss.
I'm not too phased as I seem leaner, so the loss could also be fat.

Felt a noticeable strength kick.:woohoo:

Sides still ok. Def. feel better with no Var this last week.
Also had full body sports massage 1 / week, def. helped with some of the aches and pains, but damn it is hectic.

Also did checkup with the GP & blood work: BP slightly evevated 120/85. Lipids a bit high at 5.
Not sure how to feel about that, just kinda ignoring it for now. will re-do after PCT.

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06 Aug 2008 12:52 #5291 by Oupiel

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A bit behind but week 6 & 7 complete

Gained back 1.4kg after the previous loss i.e. total gain 7.3kg.

Strength slighly increased, but only by a very small amount.
Feel like gains are grinding and everything is a major effort.
Motivation is a bit down too:dry:

Almost eager to get this cycle done, but still 4 weeks to go.
Next cycle will be shorter (8 weeks), 12 weeks is getting long, esp. when your life is focused on training almost to the exclusion of everything else.

All work & no play...

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06 Aug 2008 13:16 #5292 by jackrabbit1

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Take week 8 off and extend to 14 weeks

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19 Aug 2008 21:28 #5428 by Oupiel

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Ok dragged my arse through week 8, picked up a groin strain and tendonitis in both elbows / forearms for the trouble!
So I took Jackrabbit's advice and took week 9 off for a bit of R&R. Used the time to get a plastic Surgeon to remove 4 lipomas.
Drove myself nuts about loosing ground, BUT..

Weight only down 0.6kgs, so net gain = 6.7kgs
proviron has started to kick and lean me out a bit (maybe less water)
Going to stick with my plan of a 12 week cycle (although, I'm temped as hell just to stay on longer)

Liking the results, wife thinks I'm getting to big and should take up tennis or some BS

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20 Aug 2008 08:11 #5431 by jackrabbit1

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Ah, i'm not the only one with lipoma problems!
I also took week 8 or 9 off when i was on cycle - really helped alot. Going balls-to-the-wall for that long drains you mentally as well - especially us Old(er) ballies. When results keep getting better (and i suspect it will), it will be hard NOT to continue.
Good luck.

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20 Aug 2008 15:14 #5437 by Oupiel

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@ Jackrabbit,: yeah, been ignoring the bastard lipomas for a while, but as I got leaner, they got more obvious, but the surgeon did a damn neat job.
For R 4000, it better be a neat job!

BTW, hows your PCT going?

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21 Aug 2008 11:48 #5442 by jackrabbit1

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First PCT and i dont really know how to judge. I'll update my thread with some more detail.

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26 Aug 2008 08:50 #5529 by Oupiel

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week 10 complete, motivation is back. Also got a training partnes, finally!

Weight back up 0.8kgs, net gain = 7.5kgs
still getting a bit leaner, strength has flatlined a bit.

little bit of gyno in right nipple, feels like a pin prick when presses, but cant realy tell if there is a lump.
Started A-Dex @ 1mg / day. Was planning to start AI to suppress estrogen pre PCT anyway.

So back on track

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26 Aug 2008 08:52 #5530 by MxT

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Hi oupiel did they cut or Liposuck the Lipoma and where were they?

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26 Aug 2008 08:55 #5531 by Oupiel

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cut, I had 4. There was 1 on each thigh, 1 on my hip and another on my ribs just below my pec.

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26 Aug 2008 09:41 #5533 by jackrabbit1

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Most of them are close to the surface and you can get them removed in the docs office. For the deeper/larger ones you will have to go to theatre but the doc will tell you if thats needed. I went to a plastic for this but my GP removed some in the past.

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26 Aug 2008 10:35 #5535 by MxT

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And training wise- how long did u guys take off? I have one just below my pec- had it for years even before I ever started the gear. Irratates me when i get lean.....

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26 Aug 2008 10:42 #5536 by jackrabbit1

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If its shallow and underneath the pec the skin is probably not under too much stress and wont affect the stitches so you might be able to train straight away.
The other is done in hospital and depending on the depth and size you'd have to stay until the blood-drain stops. Train as soon as you get to the gym.
It doesn't sound like the latter though - maybe just ask the doc.
The only problem i can see is if the skin stretches too much where the stitches might tear open, but even in that case it wont be more than a couple of days.

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