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Alternative you can consider:
WASP (Yohimbe, L-Tyrosine, Siberian Ginseng and Caffeine)
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You should gain about 3 or so kgs with the var and your strength will increase, reall effects only after 21 or so days, good fat loss and a bit of a girly cycle, but with good results.
Var you would need (on a 30 mg per day dose), 3 x 56 = 168 tabs, 4 tubes of 50 at a 10mg per tab dose. Clen would depend on you, but lets work on 3 tabs per day (120 mcg) so around 100 tabs would be a good estimate.
PCT of clomid for the Var, 2 boxes from Mer or 1 from Hexal (10 tabs), one tabe per day, 5 days off one tab per day and then your'e done and will hold onto those 3 odd kgs you gained and good drop in bf.
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ummm hmmm what can we take for this?see thing is i am starting my clen and ketofin stack for a month then i start my stack of NPP (300mg a week) test prop (400mg a week) and anavar (2 pgw caps a day) and 120mg clen daily whilst on ketofin on my cycle...this is a 35day stack.now i predominantly wanna drop body fat and put on some lean muscle,but i dont wanna have the appetite of a horse...
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Sure i felt it in my 3rd week, but it only really kicked in at week 5/6. My strength is increasing with each workout now.
.66 ml NPP = 100mg / 1.4 ml testP = 140mg(ester weight included) EOD with 3 caps Anavar daily. test slightly more than the Nandolone for the obvious reasons.
I will be running 1ml = 150mg NPP / 1.5ml TestP EOD(maybe a bit more) with 25 mg Proviron daily soon - hopefully for another 6 weeks. The NPP really agrees with me and i'm happy with the results.
I will also be running TestP for a month after the NPP ends - (Want to make sure i get the cahoonas back before the Test stops - HCG at 300iU, twice a week starting with the above then 750 twice a week, last week of TestP).
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Dj, 35 days is not enough in my opinion.
Sure i felt it in my 3rd week, but it only really kicked in at week 5/6. My strength is increasing with each workout now.
.66 ml NPP = 100mg / 1.4 ml testP = 140mg(ester weight included) EOD with 3 caps Anavar daily. test slightly more than the Nandolone for the obvious reasons.
I will be running 1ml = 150mg NPP / 1.5ml TestP EOD(maybe a bit more) with 25 mg Proviron daily soon - hopefully for another 6 weeks. The NPP really agrees with me and i'm happy with the results.
I will also be running TestP for a month after the NPP ends - (Want to make sure i get the cahoonas back before the Test stops - HCG at 300iU, twice a week starting with the above then 750 twice a week, last week of TestP).
yea i am sorta doing the same course as you jack,how long was your cycle?
wanted to keep the course short...maybe i should bump up my var to 3 caps a day...hmmmm...
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Bro, cycle your clen and there are a fwe ways to do this. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, 2 days on 2 days off. With the 2 week cycle you could use ECA in between and the other compounds will give you the anabolic support. I would recommend the 2 day pulsing, reason being you will only have to deal with clen sides for 2 days at a time and not 2 weeks at a time, just my opinion.
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Increasing dosages does not make the compounds work faster, better yes (depending on dose), but definately not faster. Var takes around 21 days to reach peak levels and really work for most.
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@ djeasye,
Bro, cycle your clen and there are a fwe ways to do this. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, 2 days on 2 days off. With the 2 week cycle you could use ECA in between and the other compounds will give you the anabolic support. I would recommend the 2 day pulsing, reason being you will only have to deal with clen sides for 2 days at a time and not 2 weeks at a time, just my opinion.
Just a note:
Increasing dosages does not make the compounds work faster, better yes (depending on dose), but definately not faster. Var takes around 21 days to reach peak levels and really work for most.
Netro, I have been thinking about the 2 day on 2 day off cycling method and I don't think it will prevent receptor down-regulation. The reason I think that is because the half-life is about 36-39 hours, so that means that your receptors only have about 12-9 hours to recover... do you think that is enough time?
I have used "120mcg Clen" for 3 months with "3mg Ketotifen" and "60-70mg Anavar" for the last 8 weeks of that cycle with great results. I have to mention though that I cope very well with the sides of Clen... I agree on Netro's view on the dosage; I have used 200mcg Clen + 5mg Keto and there were no added benefits.
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I have used "120mcg Clen" for 3 months with "3mg Ketotifen" and "60-70mg Anavar" for the last 8 weeks of that cycle with great results.
how did u curb the crave for food? did the var help with your appetite or did u take anything else?
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Look at it as just delaying the process. If you plan to go longer than 8 weeks with the 2 day cycle you will have to use the ketotifen to sustain your receptors or if you plan longer than 4 weeks with e/d dosage.
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Oh, I see... yeah that will work as most don't use Clen longer than 8 weeks anyway. I was just wondering if half a day will make a big enough difference.
@djeasye,
I did get very hungry before I started the Anavar, but I just kept to my original diet. When I started the Anavar it helped a little bit with the cravings, but nothing major. When I started noticing results, it actually became easier to stick to clean eating...
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