Current cycle. Options

Moose, its sensitive to touch and it itches a little bit yesterday.

Pump, I'm taking .5mg ED since the start of the cycle so basically for four days now.

Personally I think its early enough to just stick it out with the a-dex for now happens over the next week or so.

The problem is this is a long cycle and if the shit starts now already then its gonna end shit. I also don't want to start the Letro too early as its not too good for your cholesterol levels and BP.

hey vega i started my letro 2 weeks before my cycle, and cholestrol and BP is fine actually the letro works like a charm for me on .3mg ED usually it takes 2 weeks that the letro and adex reach a stable level. so my opinion maybe take nolva just to get rid of the sides that just started to prevent further damage until 2 weeks has past then the adex will surely reached its goal to prevent the sides.

Okay thanks guys. I seems that the general consensus is to use Kessar. I'll start tonight with 20mg for the next two weeks in conjunction with .5mg Adex every day and then drop the Kessar.

What will the effect on the liver be with taking Kessar with d-bol? Luckily we now. Know thanks to Inja and Pump's research that Kessar and Deca doesn't cause you to lactate like a woman!

Yea give that a go, i dunno i rate letro a lot more highly maybe take all three and then when the letro is stable switch over??

But otherwise stick out the adex should be fine with your plan - please keep us updated iam interested what will happen.

Where is Inja btw?? :whistle:

Peace

I was reading up on adex/letro and lipids and one of the Doc's on another board laughed at the worry. He Reconned the effect is so small that its the last thing to worry about. The dosage is also quite a bit smaller than what it was designed for. My Doc also agrees. If the Estrogen sides get out of hand its way worse than a small effect on the lipid profile.

Was thinking the same thing. Inja has gone missing.

So, how's the cycle going Vega5?

Hey Milky, thanks for asking.

I've gained ±5kgs in six weeks and I'm the strongest I've ever been. Just now starting to get deca sides and at the same time started Letro in the week and the soldier is already making kak or not for that matter.

Started equi this week and my appetite has increased already even if its the placebo effect I don't mind at all.

Just a bit of feedback on the d-bols. I started feeling really kak the first week of the cycle and it continued for about two weeks so I stopped it because 00pump did mention that it makes you feel shit even though I've never had it before then after two days I felt much much better and about a week later I started it again. And withing days that overall shit feeling returned. So I'm never using d-bol again!

My diet was the worst that its ever been on a cycle but due to hard training I managed to put on a bit of muscle and loose a bit of BF. The diet thing was mainly due to some personal troubles at home but I've now met the most wonderful person on earth and already today I'm working much harder on training and diet.

I'm going to start HCG this week at 250IU E3D (opinions please) to negate the effects of the deca. I'm stopping Letro for the time being, luckily I've only taking it three times at a very low dose.

I know I should have given more updates but had other things occupying my time.

Good to hear you've made some nice gains. Don't know about the HCG helping with the soldier, maybe add 50-100mg Proviron in per day? Might help. I hate Letro, A-dex is way better for on cycle prevention. So far up 8kg in 8 weeks. I want to drop some fat and gain about another 2kg. Hopefully.

Good luck with the rest tjom.

I anyway need to start with HCG because of the 960mg test a week I'm sure I'm shutting down quite badly so just want to keep the bells still ringing.

I'll take your work on the Proviron and go and get some tomorrow.

Vega, what brands are you using?

Netro wrote:

Vega, what brands are you using?

PGW and LP only

And you happy with results?
Also, have you used other brands to compare them to?

milktuds wrote:

......tjom.

You do know what a tjom is dont you? :laugh:

LOL. :clapclap I mean boet, good luck boet.

vega5 wrote:

Hey Milky, thanks for asking.

I've gained ±5kgs in six weeks and I'm the strongest I've ever been. Just now starting to get deca sides and at the same time started Letro in the week and the soldier is already making kak or not for that matter.

Started equi this week and my appetite has increased already even if its the placebo effect I don't mind at all.

Just a bit of feedback on the d-bols. I started feeling really kak the first week of the cycle and it continued for about two weeks so I stopped it because 00pump did mention that it makes you feel shit even though I've never had it before then after two days I felt much much better and about a week later I started it again. And withing days that overall shit feeling returned. So I'm never using d-bol again!

My diet was the worst that its ever been on a cycle but due to hard training I managed to put on a bit of muscle and loose a bit of BF. The diet thing was mainly due to some personal troubles at home but I've now met the most wonderful person on earth and already today I'm working much harder on training and diet.

I'm going to start HCG this week at 250IU E3D (opinions please) to negate the effects of the deca. I'm stopping Letro for the time being, luckily I've only taking it three times at a very low dose.

I know I should have given more updates but had other things occupying my time.

Hey Vega

Just thinking aloud here so...
I think it would be ok to eliminate the Letro as the cause of the soldier having a hard time,(or not a hard time) you have only been using it for a short period of time and at a low dose...
Also you havent mentioned any low E sides so we could rule the Letro out??? What you think ?

Just what I would do if I was about to start on HCG as well as running 1g Test and Equi(dose ?) I would stay on the Letro at the low dose...

I know this is a pretty simple way of thinking, but you could maybe sort the problem out by lowering the Deca dose before starting on another compound ie. Proviron? (although the proviron might do you good in this case)

Netro, yeah I'm extremely happy with the product I just think the d-bol doesn't work with my system.

BB_guy, at this stage its just the little man I'm worried about. I have a dodgy knee and shoulder already so don't want to worsen that but on the other hand the current dose of a-dex (.5mg E2D) isn't sufficient and at the price not worth it IMO.

I'll get the Proviron tomorrow or Tuesday and then from there decide my plan with the Letro.

Hey Vega,

How is your cycle going or how did it go?

Thanks

Hey Tippster,

It's going really well. I managing to stay on about 104kg and I've lost quite allot of body fat. But my eating isn't up to scratch but that's also nothing new.

I'm starting my tren + mast in about two and a half week’s time and hopefully that's where the magic is going to happen.

I've been quite busy lately so my cardio has taken a dip but I must really give a BIG UP to Heat, that stuff really works well!!! My love handles have almost disappeared!

I'm just not getting allot of joy with my chest as I’m sure I was born without pectoral muscles, the leaner I’m getting the smaller my chest is getting and I’m really not too impressed with that aspect.

In all honesty I thing such a long cycle is a waste of money as you can probably get to the same place in about 15 weeks.

Sweet!!!

haha, I love your chest comment.

Don't worry I feel the same way, everytime I feel my chest is growing I have surgery and have it all cut out, LOL

So, I've been on HEAT for three weeks now and I've managed to drop 3kg, from 104 to 101.

I'm not eating nearly enough but it doesn't seem to affect my muscle mass but I'm definitely not gaining any not eating enough.

The week after next I start on Tren and Mast and I'm running winny over the last two weeks.

My plan is to train twice a day with 20mins cardio after each session, I know its a bit much but I need to kick into another gear and lose the most fat I can in that period.

Be careful not to over-train.

Hey Vega

If you are going to train twice a day, why don't you do cardio in the morning before breakfast and weight training in the afternoon or evening. I've done this in the past and it worked wonders for fat loss. I've read that by doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach it forces your body to tap into it's secondary energy source which is body fat. Another reason cardio is beneficial in the morning is because an intense session of exercise can keep your metabolism elevated for hours after the session is over. hence burning fat at an accelerated rate post workout.