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First off, just some personal onfo and history. I've started gong onto TRT 18 moths ago after getting tested. My Score was 280 ng/dL. The endocronologist put my on DHEA, DHT Blockers, Vitamiin D (5000mg) and magnesium, and small amounts af aromatise inhibitors taken weekly. He put me om 100mg of phrama grade Test per week.. Afer a few months I did bloodwork and it my T tested in the upper acceptable range.
So after consulting Chat GPT for some advice (as one do), A asked what a good cycle would be for me to gain some muscle. I'm currently at 10% body fat, colesterol at 4,2, and realtively fit. Slighly low blood pressure,
Chat GPT is Suggesting 500mg T per week for 12 months wit a comprehensive PCT program afterwards to maintain the gains. Also blood works at the beginning ,half way and a t the end, I'll priorise protien throughout and maitnain a calorie surplus . Any dangers I should be aware of? Any advice would be appreciated as a do still want to life long happy life:)
Another random question. After the cycle, should i go back onto normal TRT or go off completely with the PCT program. Or juts taper down to 100g per week?
I know this is a mouth full. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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What is your current weight, current daily diet, and current training program? I would also like to see those bloods that you got done.
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Current height: 184mm
Current training program: weight 3 times a week. 5 Exercises, 5 set each after warn-up
- Shoulders, chest, delts
- Back, Core, biceps
2 Days Cardio3 min max IIT (mostly cycling)
Diet – chicken breast and eggs mostly with lots of bnans and apples.
Hope this helps.
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Max dosage at your bw i will go for 8mg (8*80) 640mg/wk total
Dosage on test will now be at 3x your body weight 240mg/wk throughout.
Then the balance will be masteron or primo (400mg/wk)
Duration can be 16weeks, working your way up to max dosing.
wk1-3 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 100mg/wk
wk4-6 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 200mg/wk
wk7-8 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 300mg/wk
wk9*16 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 400mg/wk
Food intake will be +- 3000cals
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here is your issue.Current weight: 80kg
Current height: 184mm
Current training program: weight 3 times a week. 5 Exercises, 5 set each after warn-up
- Shoulders, chest, delts
- Back, Core, biceps
2 Days Cardio3 min max IIT (mostly cycling)
Diet – chicken breast and eggs mostly with lots of bnans and apples.
Hope this helps.
Training is probably not monitored and tracked, diet is clearly under eating.
You need proper programming before a ton of gear..
Please do not start with sam4000s advice. 8mg per kg is a more than you need to take in this situation and also looking at your diet, to jump right in at 3000kcal a day, you are in for fat gain. Work out your proper calories by logging your food intake for a week on cronometer or fat secret and we can go from there.
You need to come off the finasteride and arimadex for a month, and then get new blood work done, see where your testosterone to estrogen ratio is, you need to dial in your diet, start logging food, tracking exercises progression, possibly change from 3 days to 4 days to better establish what you are doing. Start recording your exercises to see the form and intensity. Have a set gym program that's tailored for you that you can track and manage.
Once youve done this for a month, we can start by doubling your test dosage and adding 100mg of masteron into the mix and see where you go after 8 weeks, get test and estrogen values pulled again to see where the upper limit of your test is to your estrogen.
We need estrogen for good igf1 production and we need enough testosterone to convert to dht to drive aggression and muscle growth. Right now, you are suppressing both those factors and limiting muscle gain, so to throw you right on to 8mg per kg for your first course isnt needed.
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Also, just a last note. My Libido is almost zero and my mood terrible. Could this have anything to do with the DHT and aromatise inhibitors?
Oh yes, absolutely! Empire did inform you above, when the quack that prescribed them to you obviously did not.
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Anyway, I think I'm going to take 'Empires' and 'admin's advice. I'll get a blood test on Tuesday just to see where I'm at. Again, I appreciate all the feedback.
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Your doctor has been too proactive instead of reactive. Testosterone needs to convert to dht and estrogen, dht drives muscle growth, estrogen drives libido and joint health and healthy cholesterol, also when estrogen is tanked you do not get great igf1 production, so if you were taking growth hormone you would be wasting that.
Your body produces between 5 and 15mg of testosterone per day pretty much.
So you didnt have hair loss/estrogen issues on your natural production, and you are replacing that production and you are now basically saying a new mole has grown im going to start chemotherapy and radiation because it might be cancer instead of saying it might be a dark freckle due to being in the sun and having a tan.
REACTIVE INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE. I just hope to god you dont have permanent libido loss from the finasteride.
Stop protecting the hair that hasn't even fallen out yet. Fuck sakes. Majority of the time hair loss from low dose test is due to lack of blood flow to the scalp and inflammation which can be fixed with derma rolling and curcumin.
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which is funny that there is no studies done to say that testosterone increaes risk of prostate cancer, and if you are worried about benign prostate hyperplasia take 5mg of cialis daily.I'm just concerned about hair loss, hence the DHT blocker. The endocrinologist also said that it helps to prevent prostate cancer.
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I just wanted to give you some feedback and also say thank you again for your advice.
I made these changes 5 weeks ago:
The DHT I'm on is finasteride. I halved the dose to 1.25mg per day. I stopped all aromatase inhibitors. I started a weight training programme coupled with HIIT cardio (alternating weight training days and cardio days.) My daily calorie intake is around 2700. I'm also taking Creatine HCL 5mg per day.
I'm taking 200mg Test Cyp and 100mg Primo per week injected twice a week.
So far so good. My strength has increased significantly. I haven't experienced any major side effects from stopping the aromatase inhibitors or halving the finasteride. No acne or nipple sensitivity.
I've put on about 5kg - I'm assuming a lot of this is water retention.My Hemoglobin is at: 18.5 g/dL. I'm going to donate blodd this weekend.
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I think you misunderstood. I'm on 200mg test Cyp and 100mg Primo per week total. I divide it into 2 injections per week. I limit the HIIT Cardio to 30 min.
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