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JW - TRT cycle advice needed (Fertility, HGH)?
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02 Mar 2023 22:04 - 06 Mar 2023 08:49 #228925
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Hi all
My stats are:
Male, 34 year old, 1.85m, 89kg, +-12% bf
The goal:
90-92kg lean muscle mass <10% bf
Current situation:
Went for bloodwork in Nov 2022 and started cruising on Test C @ 200mg per week from November to date and then went for follow up bloodwork earlier this week.
Bloodwork 8 Nov 2022
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Bloodwork 1 March 2023
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The plan:
Continue on a low dose cycle until end of July, then PCT 1, thereafter, evaluate going on another low dose cycle.
Week 1 - 20: UPA Test C @ 200mg per week (pin Mon & Thur)
Week 1 - 20: UPA Masteron E @ 150mg per week (ditto)
Reasoning:
Personally, the side effects of a big 10 week blast far outweigh the low dose cruise and taking into consideration I'm very prone to gyno (currently have gyno on one side which is not massive or visible to the layman but noticable to the seasoned eye and myself ofcourse).
Your feedback, comments or advice will be appreciated.
Cheers
My stats are:
Male, 34 year old, 1.85m, 89kg, +-12% bf
The goal:
90-92kg lean muscle mass <10% bf
Current situation:
Went for bloodwork in Nov 2022 and started cruising on Test C @ 200mg per week from November to date and then went for follow up bloodwork earlier this week.
Bloodwork 8 Nov 2022
ibb.co/khg9JCt
ibb.co/Wkt7jsT
ibb.co/SQrHk9D
Bloodwork 1 March 2023
ibb.co/y8y0jVL
ibb.co/zX8qS3n
ibb.co/2FGd8JS
The plan:
Continue on a low dose cycle until end of July, then PCT 1, thereafter, evaluate going on another low dose cycle.
Week 1 - 20: UPA Test C @ 200mg per week (pin Mon & Thur)
Week 1 - 20: UPA Masteron E @ 150mg per week (ditto)
Reasoning:
Personally, the side effects of a big 10 week blast far outweigh the low dose cruise and taking into consideration I'm very prone to gyno (currently have gyno on one side which is not massive or visible to the layman but noticable to the seasoned eye and myself ofcourse).
Your feedback, comments or advice will be appreciated.
Cheers
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11 Mar 2023 22:26 #228949
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Dude, from a medical perspective, blasting and cruising is sure way to an early grave. You may do better by going on PCT now, and sort out blood pressure and lipids first, then a second cycle later on.
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12 Mar 2023 08:17 #228950
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Builder, please explain why it's a quick way to an early grave if health markers are all in place?
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12 Mar 2023 12:58 - 12 Mar 2023 13:01 #228951
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Hi Empire
The intervals between bloodwork is a little short. We also have no idea what the average blood pressure is. I admit my statement was a bit dramatic, but long term PED use (like blasting and cruising) tend to catch up with us later in life with atherosclerosis, accelerated onset of arthritis and cardiac and liver issues. We need to be clever about PED use, as per Dr O'Connor on his YouTube channel.
And 200mg per week is a bit hectic to be called TRT or even low dose (still shuts one down.)
The intervals between bloodwork is a little short. We also have no idea what the average blood pressure is. I admit my statement was a bit dramatic, but long term PED use (like blasting and cruising) tend to catch up with us later in life with atherosclerosis, accelerated onset of arthritis and cardiac and liver issues. We need to be clever about PED use, as per Dr O'Connor on his YouTube channel.
And 200mg per week is a bit hectic to be called TRT or even low dose (still shuts one down.)
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12 Mar 2023 14:22 #228952
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Certainly an en EARLIER grave. We are given quite a wide range of what is 'normal' when we do our bloodwork. There's pretty overwhelming evidence that elevated androgens and IGF1 levels are not good for optimal longevity.
The only way blasting and cruising is going to be as safe as going off entirely between cycles is if you use a very low TRT dose essentially just to replace what you would produce naturally, and no more. We know that TRT is healthier than having low T long term, but how many of us actually really only use the TRT dose we NEED without bumping it up and thinking we can manage our health just as well with Total T at 35-40 nmol/L. It's simply not possible to beat nature here.
T increases hemotacrit. Higher hematocrit long term is a known predictor for shortened lifespan in humans and has been shown to shorten average lifespan in mammals and birds in animal studies. Being 'in range' while on bodybuilder dose TRT is not going to be as healthy is your body regulated it naturally.
There's a clear inverse correlation between testosterone levels once they are above midrange and many important factors contributing to longevity such as cholesterol, IGF1 levels, mTOR pathway signally, C-reactive protein levels, and there's pretty compelling data showing that men with T in the midrange live longest on average.
Having low T does reduce average life expectancy, but so does maintaining T on the higher end of normal around 30 nmol/L throughout your life.
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Certainly an en EARLIER grave. We are given quite a wide range of what is 'normal' when we do our bloodwork. There's pretty overwhelming evidence that elevated androgens and IGF1 levels are not good for optimal longevity.
The only way blasting and cruising is going to be as safe as going off entirely between cycles is if you use a very low TRT dose essentially just to replace what you would produce naturally, and no more. We know that TRT is healthier than having low T long term, but how many of us actually really only use the TRT dose we NEED without bumping it up and thinking we can manage our health just as well with Total T at 35-40 nmol/L. It's simply not possible to beat nature here.
T increases hemotacrit. Higher hematocrit long term is a known predictor for shortened lifespan in humans and has been shown to shorten average lifespan in mammals and birds in animal studies. Being 'in range' while on bodybuilder dose TRT is not going to be as healthy is your body regulated it naturally.
There's a clear inverse correlation between testosterone levels once they are above midrange and many important factors contributing to longevity such as cholesterol, IGF1 levels, mTOR pathway signally, C-reactive protein levels, and there's pretty compelling data showing that men with T in the midrange live longest on average.
Having low T does reduce average life expectancy, but so does maintaining T on the higher end of normal around 30 nmol/L throughout your life.
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09 Feb 2024 15:12 #229634
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Good day all
Update from my previous post:
Nov 2022 - March 2023:
Weight: 84kg ---> 89kg
Bodyfat: 14+% ---> 12%
Cycle: Test C @ 200mg per week
March 2023 - December 2023:
Weight: 89kg ---> 93kg
Bodyfat: 12% ---> 10%
Cycle: Test E @ 175mg per week & Masteron @ 140mg per week
December 2023 - 9 February 2024:
Weigh: 93kg ---> 90kg
Bodyfat: 10%
Cycle: None - stopped on 22 December 2023 currently 49 off cycle.
Training: 5 days per week, strength has dropped off, recovery time reduced, joint more sensitive.
Bloodwork (Nov 2022, March 2023 and Feb 2024)
Background:
The decision to go on a long term low dose (TRT) cycle was to stay healthy, fit, increase my confidence without the ups of a 12 week blast and the downs that follow. All in all, I've been very satisfied, feel great. I live a fairly healthy lifestyle, perhaps December we overindulged but all in all it was a good year. The main reason for stopping in December was due to the missus and I trying for little one number 2. Now comes the dilemma, I've been off cycle 49 days - where to from here?
Advice Needed:
What are the options gents? I understand any anabolics will be counter productive in terms of increasing sperm count and motility.
Can I start with HGH and take Clomid (2 x 50mg for 7 days).
Do I rather do a full PCT.
Currently, I'm only taking my 2 x Staminogro (Multivit), 3 x NPL Organ Support, 1 x Animal M-Stak Packet, 1 x Sperm-i-Prove
As always, your feedback, comments or advice will be appreciated.
Cheers
Update from my previous post:
Nov 2022 - March 2023:
Weight: 84kg ---> 89kg
Bodyfat: 14+% ---> 12%
Cycle: Test C @ 200mg per week
March 2023 - December 2023:
Weight: 89kg ---> 93kg
Bodyfat: 12% ---> 10%
Cycle: Test E @ 175mg per week & Masteron @ 140mg per week
December 2023 - 9 February 2024:
Weigh: 93kg ---> 90kg
Bodyfat: 10%
Cycle: None - stopped on 22 December 2023 currently 49 off cycle.
Training: 5 days per week, strength has dropped off, recovery time reduced, joint more sensitive.
Bloodwork (Nov 2022, March 2023 and Feb 2024)
Background:
The decision to go on a long term low dose (TRT) cycle was to stay healthy, fit, increase my confidence without the ups of a 12 week blast and the downs that follow. All in all, I've been very satisfied, feel great. I live a fairly healthy lifestyle, perhaps December we overindulged but all in all it was a good year. The main reason for stopping in December was due to the missus and I trying for little one number 2. Now comes the dilemma, I've been off cycle 49 days - where to from here?
Advice Needed:
What are the options gents? I understand any anabolics will be counter productive in terms of increasing sperm count and motility.
Can I start with HGH and take Clomid (2 x 50mg for 7 days).
Do I rather do a full PCT.
Currently, I'm only taking my 2 x Staminogro (Multivit), 3 x NPL Organ Support, 1 x Animal M-Stak Packet, 1 x Sperm-i-Prove
As always, your feedback, comments or advice will be appreciated.
Cheers
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11 Feb 2024 07:54 - 11 Feb 2024 16:07 #229636
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