Primo to Masteron Possible Switch

Hey guys,

Looking for some advice please. ( @admin, @oupa, @pump ad @muscleaddict if you don't mind please gents)

I was hoping to run the following cycle:

Week 1 - 20 -- 600mg PGW Primo/Week
Week 1 - 10 -- 320mg PGW SuperTest/Week
Week 11 - 20 -- 250mg PGW Test Cyp/Week

Bridge would be with some Tbol and prop

The reason I wanted to try this cycle is twofold:

1 - I am really keen to see what a decent primo cycle will do for my body with my style of training (which is predominantly Power Lifting, Olympic lifting and some Crossfitty type stuff

2 - My goal is not size (although I definitely want to grow a fair amount :lol: ) but more an aesthetic and athletic build with good strength increases. So basically I want to look good and be stronger (and bigger but that is not the primary goal) If primo makes me much bigger then that's great I'll take it with a smile.

The problem is however that I can't get hold of PGW Primo currently only UPA. I don't know anything about UPA and to be honest every time I have tried another brand I have been disappointed, hence I am well and truly a PGW fan.

I can wait a few more weeks and hopefully PGW decides to manufacture some Primo again, but I need a backup plan should they not.

For my abovementioned goals do you think I could get similar results with 450/600mg of Masteron?

I've only ever stacked Primo with Equi and also only ever stacked Masteron with Equi never just done large doses of Primo or Masteron just with test so would like to see what that does.

Would love some feedback if you guys have a chance

Have a great weekend manne

ninjajuice wrote: Hey guys,

Looking for some advice please. ( @admin, @oupa, @pump ad @muscleaddict if you don't mind please gents)

I was hoping to run the following cycle:

Week 1 - 20 -- 600mg PGW Primo/Week
Week 1 - 10 -- 320mg PGW SuperTest/Week
Week 11 - 20 -- 250mg PGW Test Cyp/Week

Bridge would be with some Tbol and prop

The reason I wanted to try this cycle is twofold:

1 - I am really keen to see what a decent primo cycle will do for my body with my style of training (which is predominantly Power Lifting, Olympic lifting and some Crossfitty type stuff

2 - My goal is not size (although I definitely want to grow a fair amount :lol: ) but more an aesthetic and athletic build with good strength increases. So basically I want to look good and be stronger (and bigger but that is not the primary goal) If primo makes me much bigger then that's great I'll take it with a smile.

The problem is however that I can't get hold of PGW Primo currently only UPA. I don't know anything about UPA and to be honest every time I have tried another brand I have been disappointed, hence I am well and truly a PGW fan.

I can wait a few more weeks and hopefully PGW decides to manufacture some Primo again, but I need a backup plan should they not.

For my abovementioned goals do you think I could get similar results with 450/600mg of Masteron?

I've only ever stacked Primo with Equi and also only ever stacked Masteron with Equi never just done large doses of Primo or Masteron just with test so would like to see what that does.

Would love some feedback if you guys have a chance

Have a great weekend manne

Drugs aside, your training (at least seems) to be all over the place?

Powerlifting and olympic lifting often require insane techniques, respectively, and specialized training to quite literally just move more weight correctly.

What exactly is crossfitty type stuff? I hope not snap-city type pull ups and push press :lol:
I would think just choosing a better lifting regiment before blasting anything could help focus your goals.

Otherwise you are using relatively short esters on a very long cycle, maybe you could extend that amount of Primo over 2 blasts/cycles? That is just a cost vs benefit idea, obviously only you can decide what is worth it to you

@MPhilosepher thanks for the reply and feedback

I’ve been Olympic and Powerlifting for around 12 years so I’m fully competent with the movements. I’ve trained this way for many years and have added in a lot of CrossFit type workouts for my conditioning. Has worked very well for me and my training is solid (well at least in my own humble opinion) I however focus more on strict pull ups as opposed to the “snap city” kipping ones haha but I’m quite comfortable kipping in a workout too. So I’m very happy with my training and it is a lot more structured than you would think. To be honest I enjoy the odd CrossFit class too.

So from a training side I’m happy and I’ve been happy with the results for many years. I’ve also done a few cycles mainly consisting of Equi with add ons and I’m just looking to try something new.

Thanks for the feedback though. I hear what you say about a better lifting regime and I understand where you are coming from, however I do really enjoy my current way. I will however look at adding some more traditional bodybuilding moments during this cycle.

But back to the drugs now thanks boet

Any other feedback? I’m open to all opinions and suggestions.

Primo is better for building lean mass than Masteron. Masteron is mostly cosmetic and only worth it if you are extremely lean. After 8 weeks you will probably look better on 400mg Masteron than you will on 600mg primo along with low dose test because you will look drier and see more striations and definition, but primo does definitely build more muscle.

Masteron is more androgenic and will boost aggression more than primo, which helps for workout motivation if you're on low calories. I get only very slight strength gains with Masteron. 600mg masteron is really overkill. 300mg-450mg max unless you are a real heavyweight. Where primo shines is that it has less side effects than anything else that gives steady lean gains. But you pay a huge premium for that - the rich mans EQ.

The other thing is everyone should look their best at the end of a cycle. You are just cruising along on low dose test at the end and will really benefit from a hardening agent. Why not add in the masteron or some winny then so you can really see what you have achieved?

Im a big boy and 400mg Primo for 20 weeks gavesome beautiful old school lean muscle tissue.

@MA and @Oupa thank you so much for the feedback gents. This just makes me want to stick to the Primo cycle even more.

@MA thank you I will add the masteron at the end of the cycle as you suggest. .

@oupa I will take your cue here and go with 400mg of primo.

Now I just need to decide to wait on PGW or take a chance and give UPA a go?????

What would you do haha?

I use Keifei Primo, but its only 100mg/1ml. PGW were out fo stock.

honestly, i would rather use 200mg Masteron E and 200mg NPP with a test overusing PRIMO at 600mg. way cheaper way better.

i use UPA and i am happy with the results NJ. kind regards DJ

Hey DJ, hope you are well bud.

I've managed to get PGW Primo already (got lucky). Decided to go with 400mg per week as Oupa suggested and adding in some Masteron towards the end as suggested by MA.

I'm extremely keen to see how a primo based cycle goes.

But this won't be my last cycle so will keep yours on the back burner for next time

Thanks for the UPA feedback as well.

Just a quick update:

I have done quite a lot of cycles up until now. I have also used PGW Primo before but I am 6 weeks into my current cycle and I can honestly say that this is my favourite cycle to date.

Not sure if this batch of Primo is super charged or if I've just managed to get my perfect sweet spot in terms of dosages but I feel phenomenal. Recovery is amazing, general feeling of well being is through the roof. And the physical changes are going to be by far my best yet.

I have 14 weeks to go and if the first 6 weeks are anything to go by I cannot wait to see the end result.

PGW Primo is honestly my favourite compound by miles now. I doubt I will ever use anything else again. I was a massive equi fan but this is just superior in my opinion.

Any, just though I would share. Have a great weekend everyone.

Oh and I'm using

400mg PGW Primo/Week
320mg PGW SuperTest/Week but will be switching to cyp from week 11

Primo is the business, waste of time if you overweight but if you not, it's like mothers milk.

Glad you enjoying it!

00pump wrote: Primo is the business, waste of time if you overweight but if you not, it's like mothers milk.

Glad you enjoying it!

Fact ! Long period, focussed work, low dose with TRT, brilliant. No irritations of everyday jabbing. Focus, long term goal, build a befokte cycle according to your life