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09 Mar 2020 12:03 - 09 Mar 2020 12:05 #221468
by UMADBRO
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Hi all,
just looking for some advice.
I am currently 6.5 weeks into my first cycle of rad 140 + mk667.
History
Typical on again off again gym rat since 17 years old. I'v finally decided that this is now my main focus.
Over the years I have "mastered" my own bodies eating requirements and training preferences.
Starting stats:
Age: 32
height: 178cm
weight: 81kg
Est. BF%: 25% (possibly less)
Current stats:
weight: 87kg
Est. BF%: 18-19%
Cycle
Week 1-2 - 10mg rad 140
Week 2-3 - 15mg rad 140
Week 3-6.5 (current) - 20mg rad 140
week 4 to current - 15mg mk667 (this will be a long term thing)
Cycle Plan & Sides
The plan originally was 10mg rad 140 for 8 weeks followed by pct 1. I had purchased extra to allow for a dosage up or cycle extension (I'd rather have and not need than...) After experiencing no sides and a very good response I upped the dosage to 15mg.
At 15 mg I had a tiny bit of acne, not even worth worrying about, and then 1 day where I felt like I had just got the flu. Woke up the next morning fine.
Obviously feeling invincible, I upped the dosage to 20mg. There were 2 days where I had some headaches, nothing serious. Acne increased slightly, still not even worth worrying about.
I decided to add some mk667 in, a week later all acne is pretty much gone and I am sleeping like baby jesus. I am currently sleeping so well and having amazing dreams.
Diet
2000 calories per day which I think is roughly or was roughly at the start of the cycle a 500 odd deficit.
It's roughly a 40 30 30 split. 5 meals a day. All clean food. Am I always hungry? yes!(results are worth it though)
Training
5-6 sessions per week, 1.5 hours each.
Results so far
Insane results, anyone paying attention and having half a brain would know i'm on something.
There is a huge strength increase, but I have been holding back due to caloric deficit and not wanting to risk tendon/joint injury.
A lot of muscle growth, not knowing exact body fat % makes it hard to say how much. I know that I'm holding a large amount of water atm. Perhaps I'll post some pics after the cycle is done.
Also focus and energy in the gym is insane. Got vascularity popping out of my shoulders and arms like I'm spiderman. Recovery is insane.
My quality of life has greatly improved and I am a much happier and more confident person.
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Question 1:
Do I extend the cycle?
I feel the effects more and more each week and there is only 2.5 weeks left. If I were to extend I would add 3 more weeks which would be 11 weeks on at 20mg rad 140. I don't know if this is wise. In my mind I am trying to weigh up 3 weeks extra vs just ending it, starting pct and then waiting 8 weeks to start the next "proper" cycle. In the short term, the gains on extending the cycle would be great, but long term I think I would benefit more from ending it.
Question 2
300mg vs 500mg test cyp/enan per week?
I want to do a test only cycle to see how my body reacts. I have a deep fear of gyno so I want to be extremely careful. 300mg would be safer but perhaps a waste of time. It seems 300 used to be the norm starter cycle but now everyone is on the 500 train.
Depending on where my body is at, I might consider adding something in but I feel this is unwise.
Before starting this cycle I would use my pct time and time off to focus on dropping enough fat to be at the sub 15% bf level so that I can get in more calories and have reduced risk.
just looking for some advice.
I am currently 6.5 weeks into my first cycle of rad 140 + mk667.
History
Typical on again off again gym rat since 17 years old. I'v finally decided that this is now my main focus.
Over the years I have "mastered" my own bodies eating requirements and training preferences.
Starting stats:
Age: 32
height: 178cm
weight: 81kg
Est. BF%: 25% (possibly less)
Current stats:
weight: 87kg
Est. BF%: 18-19%
Cycle
Week 1-2 - 10mg rad 140
Week 2-3 - 15mg rad 140
Week 3-6.5 (current) - 20mg rad 140
week 4 to current - 15mg mk667 (this will be a long term thing)
Cycle Plan & Sides
The plan originally was 10mg rad 140 for 8 weeks followed by pct 1. I had purchased extra to allow for a dosage up or cycle extension (I'd rather have and not need than...) After experiencing no sides and a very good response I upped the dosage to 15mg.
At 15 mg I had a tiny bit of acne, not even worth worrying about, and then 1 day where I felt like I had just got the flu. Woke up the next morning fine.
Obviously feeling invincible, I upped the dosage to 20mg. There were 2 days where I had some headaches, nothing serious. Acne increased slightly, still not even worth worrying about.
I decided to add some mk667 in, a week later all acne is pretty much gone and I am sleeping like baby jesus. I am currently sleeping so well and having amazing dreams.
Diet
2000 calories per day which I think is roughly or was roughly at the start of the cycle a 500 odd deficit.
It's roughly a 40 30 30 split. 5 meals a day. All clean food. Am I always hungry? yes!(results are worth it though)
Training
5-6 sessions per week, 1.5 hours each.
Results so far
Insane results, anyone paying attention and having half a brain would know i'm on something.
There is a huge strength increase, but I have been holding back due to caloric deficit and not wanting to risk tendon/joint injury.
A lot of muscle growth, not knowing exact body fat % makes it hard to say how much. I know that I'm holding a large amount of water atm. Perhaps I'll post some pics after the cycle is done.
Also focus and energy in the gym is insane. Got vascularity popping out of my shoulders and arms like I'm spiderman. Recovery is insane.
My quality of life has greatly improved and I am a much happier and more confident person.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Question 1:
Do I extend the cycle?
I feel the effects more and more each week and there is only 2.5 weeks left. If I were to extend I would add 3 more weeks which would be 11 weeks on at 20mg rad 140. I don't know if this is wise. In my mind I am trying to weigh up 3 weeks extra vs just ending it, starting pct and then waiting 8 weeks to start the next "proper" cycle. In the short term, the gains on extending the cycle would be great, but long term I think I would benefit more from ending it.
Question 2
300mg vs 500mg test cyp/enan per week?
I want to do a test only cycle to see how my body reacts. I have a deep fear of gyno so I want to be extremely careful. 300mg would be safer but perhaps a waste of time. It seems 300 used to be the norm starter cycle but now everyone is on the 500 train.
Depending on where my body is at, I might consider adding something in but I feel this is unwise.
Before starting this cycle I would use my pct time and time off to focus on dropping enough fat to be at the sub 15% bf level so that I can get in more calories and have reduced risk.
Last edit: 09 Mar 2020 12:05 by UMADBRO.
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09 Mar 2020 12:09 #221469
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Thank you for the complete post.
Q1. - I would extend up to 14 weeks Rad140.
Q2 - Start with 300mg test for 6 weeks, then up if there is no estrogen issues. There is a product on the market from LP called Aromasin 5. You can always add this to your cycle to be extra "safe"
Q1. - I would extend up to 14 weeks Rad140.
Q2 - Start with 300mg test for 6 weeks, then up if there is no estrogen issues. There is a product on the market from LP called Aromasin 5. You can always add this to your cycle to be extra "safe"
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09 Mar 2020 12:21 #221470
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Thanks for the fast reply Oupa.
Should I be concerned about toxicity levels? I am currently running N-Acetyl Cysteine for support.
Should I be concerned about toxicity levels? I am currently running N-Acetyl Cysteine for support.
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09 Mar 2020 12:37 #221472
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You should always be aware of the wellness and condition of any organs. Rad140 is very mild. Just keep monitoring yourself on all levels.
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UMADBRO wrote: Thanks for the fast reply Oupa.
Should I be concerned about toxicity levels? I am currently running N-Acetyl Cysteine for support.
You should always be aware of the wellness and condition of any organs. Rad140 is very mild. Just keep monitoring yourself on all levels.
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09 Mar 2020 15:01 - 09 Mar 2020 15:02 #221477
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Congrats on the good results, especially for such a mild cycle.
A point to note is that you are definitely not in a caloric deficit if you have gained 6kg - even with MK677 causing serious water retention. RAD140 improves nutrient partitioning so your body uses the calories you take in more efficiently. This enables most guys to build muscle while burning fat in a slight deficit, but you can't gain more lean muscle weight than the calories you are consuming, and won't gain fat in a deficit.
You can run RAD140 for a few months for sure. But most will see diminishing returns in gains after 8 weeks or so. Your natural T production will also be almost completely shut down at 20mg/day Keep doing what is working until it stops working. It is very mild on your liver. N-Acetyl Cysteine is not necessary for this cycle.
A point to note is that you are definitely not in a caloric deficit if you have gained 6kg - even with MK677 causing serious water retention. RAD140 improves nutrient partitioning so your body uses the calories you take in more efficiently. This enables most guys to build muscle while burning fat in a slight deficit, but you can't gain more lean muscle weight than the calories you are consuming, and won't gain fat in a deficit.
You can run RAD140 for a few months for sure. But most will see diminishing returns in gains after 8 weeks or so. Your natural T production will also be almost completely shut down at 20mg/day Keep doing what is working until it stops working. It is very mild on your liver. N-Acetyl Cysteine is not necessary for this cycle.
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14 Jan 2021 20:12 #224448
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Previous Cycle
The advice to extend my rad cycle to 14 weeks was spot on. Towards the end is where I noticed the most benefit and then... covid and the gym closed. Luckily it was right at the end of the cycle and I have a bit of equipment at home so I just finished up what I had left and worked as hard as I could.
I want to note as well that I did not pct off the back of this which surprisingly also worked out great.
(I had a full pct on hand, there just wasn't a need for it)
Current Cycle
Jump to gym's re opening, I started a 16 week 500mg test C only cycle.
It's been really great, I'v packed on a lot of muscle.
Current Stats
Age: 33
Height: 178cm
Weight: 92kg
Body Fat: 18-22% best guess. Could be lower due to visible abs and vascularity but forever the pessimist.
Sides
With regards to sides, a bit of acne on the shoulders and back but nothing unmanageable.
I did have IBS a couple weeks back, on 3 separate occasions roughly a week apart. I attributed that to possibly too much caffeine. I drink a lot of coffee and my new pwo had about 425mg caffeine per serving.
There was no need for an AI which is great.
Only downside is that I grew a lot more hair. I had almost no hair on my chest and abs, now I have a bit more. Thicker facial hair as well.
Testicles got noticeably smaller which doesn't bother me at all. They just get in the way, and with legs growing there isn't enough room down there for everyone.
Training
I am very happy with my current regiment. I think I'll do a separate post in the training section.
It's basically 3 on 1 off, 3 on 1 off.....
Day 1: Legs
Day 2: Chest shoulders tri's
Day 3: Back Bi's
Diet
Diet was clean at first but closer to and during the holiday period I ate pretty much whatever just ensuring that I got sufficient protein. I was definitely in a surplus for most of this cycle.
Personal feelings about the cycle
The reason I do this is to make myself happy and feel better.
I also very much enjoy seeing the effects of the different compounds.
If I had to change anything I may have just gone with a lower dosage.
I feel 500mg was perhaps a bit much for me for a first cycle and I could have achieved good results with a lower dosage.
Rad140 vs Test only
The Rad was great, I have no complaints, but knowing what I know now I would definitely give it a skip. Obviously like most people I think the biggest fear is pinning but once you get over that, and you get over it very quickly, then you realize that with regards to results that the test is far superior. They both seemed to have a very similar effect, the test was just way more of everything. More strength, more gains and more erections. Erections all day every day.
Next Cycle
My last pin is this friday, then a bit of a fork in the road and I don't know which way I want to go.
I'v done plenty research and I can find benefits to both paths.
1) I wait the required amount of days, pct, recover and wait close to "time on= time off". So 3-4 months and then I start my next cycle.
2) I cruise down to a trt dose probably in the 100 to 150mg range. Wait 3-4 months and then start my next cycle.
Is it worth putting the body through the stress of pct when I'm going to immediately smash the next cycle once I recover. I'd like to get 2 cycles in this year, so running a pct and recovering seems possibly counter intuitive. If I were to run one cycle per year then pct definitely makes more sense.
I also really don't have an issue at all with having to be on trt indefinitely however I am only 33.
The next cycle at the moment is looking like test+EQ or test+Dbol nothing too fancy, but I'd like to add a second compound in seeing as I'm safe from most sides and e2 complications on 500mg test. 19-Nors seem like fun, but until I am 100 percent sure that I'll be on trt/blast and cruise I don't really want to go all in.
Any feedback/advice is greatly appreciated
The advice to extend my rad cycle to 14 weeks was spot on. Towards the end is where I noticed the most benefit and then... covid and the gym closed. Luckily it was right at the end of the cycle and I have a bit of equipment at home so I just finished up what I had left and worked as hard as I could.
I want to note as well that I did not pct off the back of this which surprisingly also worked out great.
(I had a full pct on hand, there just wasn't a need for it)
Current Cycle
Jump to gym's re opening, I started a 16 week 500mg test C only cycle.
It's been really great, I'v packed on a lot of muscle.
Current Stats
Age: 33
Height: 178cm
Weight: 92kg
Body Fat: 18-22% best guess. Could be lower due to visible abs and vascularity but forever the pessimist.
Sides
With regards to sides, a bit of acne on the shoulders and back but nothing unmanageable.
I did have IBS a couple weeks back, on 3 separate occasions roughly a week apart. I attributed that to possibly too much caffeine. I drink a lot of coffee and my new pwo had about 425mg caffeine per serving.
There was no need for an AI which is great.
Only downside is that I grew a lot more hair. I had almost no hair on my chest and abs, now I have a bit more. Thicker facial hair as well.
Testicles got noticeably smaller which doesn't bother me at all. They just get in the way, and with legs growing there isn't enough room down there for everyone.
Training
I am very happy with my current regiment. I think I'll do a separate post in the training section.
It's basically 3 on 1 off, 3 on 1 off.....
Day 1: Legs
Day 2: Chest shoulders tri's
Day 3: Back Bi's
Diet
Diet was clean at first but closer to and during the holiday period I ate pretty much whatever just ensuring that I got sufficient protein. I was definitely in a surplus for most of this cycle.
Personal feelings about the cycle
The reason I do this is to make myself happy and feel better.
I also very much enjoy seeing the effects of the different compounds.
If I had to change anything I may have just gone with a lower dosage.
I feel 500mg was perhaps a bit much for me for a first cycle and I could have achieved good results with a lower dosage.
Rad140 vs Test only
The Rad was great, I have no complaints, but knowing what I know now I would definitely give it a skip. Obviously like most people I think the biggest fear is pinning but once you get over that, and you get over it very quickly, then you realize that with regards to results that the test is far superior. They both seemed to have a very similar effect, the test was just way more of everything. More strength, more gains and more erections. Erections all day every day.
Next Cycle
My last pin is this friday, then a bit of a fork in the road and I don't know which way I want to go.
I'v done plenty research and I can find benefits to both paths.
1) I wait the required amount of days, pct, recover and wait close to "time on= time off". So 3-4 months and then I start my next cycle.
2) I cruise down to a trt dose probably in the 100 to 150mg range. Wait 3-4 months and then start my next cycle.
Is it worth putting the body through the stress of pct when I'm going to immediately smash the next cycle once I recover. I'd like to get 2 cycles in this year, so running a pct and recovering seems possibly counter intuitive. If I were to run one cycle per year then pct definitely makes more sense.
I also really don't have an issue at all with having to be on trt indefinitely however I am only 33.
The next cycle at the moment is looking like test+EQ or test+Dbol nothing too fancy, but I'd like to add a second compound in seeing as I'm safe from most sides and e2 complications on 500mg test. 19-Nors seem like fun, but until I am 100 percent sure that I'll be on trt/blast and cruise I don't really want to go all in.
Any feedback/advice is greatly appreciated
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