First Tren Cycle

eatClen wrote:

SamZ4000 wrote: /\ /\
Tren e. For first time user? Even a 150mg of tren a week is plenty a have a few guys who actually started off on that dose coz they wheee already thoses normal sus& deca guys we find in every gym.. I will come to check with sides when his a few weeks in and wants to stop the cycle.

Short esthers are always best for anyone who wants to test the waters for anything my 2cents. That was a lot of talking there

Short esters contain more steroid while longer esters, less.

Although it might look like an appealing argument to have, I believe it is invalid. Here is why:

Lets take DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) for example.

If you smoke freebase DMT, there is a much greater and immediate reaction that is derived from the use of the compound, compared to drinking the DMT containing alkaloid brew, ayahuasca, which not only takes longer to be absorbed by the body but also gets motabolized gradually over time, allowing your body to adapt against its reaction.

The same goes for AAS and esters in this context. To say that in the event of something going wrong, that it would be better to have taken a shorter acting ester (fast in, fast out) is invalid to this argument, because the risk involved is much greater, due to the potency comparison of a shorter acting steroid vs. a longer acting ester.

The example used might be out of context but I believe I am bringing the point across.

I don’t want to flame the original posters thread but believe the information is accurate. If any of the more experienced individuals would like to comment to avoid any misleading information, please share.

I rather not reply to this. You shoud run deca/eq/trenE etc can come back with your views.

Running any E / C esther has a build up effect so that is something you over looking clearly here man. U start of at
eg 150mg one week
By week two its half that 75. U pin another 150mg now u got 225mg in your system on week two

Get wt im saying. If not lets not derail this topic. We leave it at here

Thank you everybody for the advice and replies.

Just back from holidays, cycle will mostly likely start in the next two or three weeks. I am busy testing and tweaking my diet to see how I will be fitting it into the work day and how I feel.

Brief overview on my program:
Starting at 3000 cal per day (500 cal deficit) with carbs still high and will gradually lower the carbs as I get closer to the end but this will be by feel. Cardio is at 30 min per day post workout (Generally a very lean person already). Train 5-6 times a week.

A few things points:

1. I will be starting a cycle thread closer to the time so you guys can follow and I will detail my final diet plan. Supplements will be Whey protein, Pre-Workout, Multivitamin, Fish oil, Essentiale liver support and I may include a BCAA if I do fasted cardio in the mornings and possibly a fat burner.

2. There was a point raised whether this will be for a comp and it may be, I never competed before but I wanted to for a goal, motivates me to work towards something. So that is something I'm deciding over the next few weeks. Either way, I'm going approach this will the same drive as I would be prepping.

3. This brings me to eatClen's comment. The first reason for short esters is the warnings about Tren and all the opinions that it is better to test the waters with a short acting ester. This lead me to choose test prop since I can shoot them both together on the same days and keep the cycle simple.

4. This is all also an experiment in my own dedication as well as new compounds and new way of thinking.

5. I sadly have no partner ... the sex drive is going to be one difficult thing to handle alone. Although it may be better since I sometimes have a slight temper and gear never helps.

Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Firstly, I need to apologize for giving incorrect information. I had it wrong in saying that Tren E is better absorbed by the body than Tren A. This is incorrect and the opposite is correct.

1) Tren E, has less esters, peaks at a slow pace and leaves the system slowly, while Tren A has more esters peaks faster and leaves the system faster.

2) Tren A is better when it comes to maintaining stable blood levels, especially when you want to gain muscle mass and strength. Tren E however is a better option if you want to bulk, while Tren A would be the better option if you want to cut.

3) Tren E is rarely associated with night sweats, insomnia, and over-aggression.

Secondly, if you are considering the SuperCutMix and "something goes wrong" you would have to completely stop the entire cycle and start PCT, or find Test only vials fast to continue with the cycle. Alternatively, If you use the compounds separately, you can better mitigate any challenges.

Remember Milk Thistle, not only for Tren, but Test too.

Enjoy the pinning. :whistle:

SamZ4000 wrote: /\ /\
Tren e. For first time user? Even a 150mg of tren a week is plenty a have a few guys who actually started off on that dose coz they wheee already thoses normal sus& deca guys we find in every gym.. I will come to check with sides when his a few weeks in and wants to stop the cycle.

Short esthers are always best for anyone who wants to test the waters for anything my 2cents. That was a lot of talking there

Take some Karma SamZ4000.

Thank you for correcting me.

eatClen wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Firstly, I need to apologize for giving incorrect information. I had it wrong in saying that Tren E is better absorbed by the body than Tren A. This is incorrect and the opposite is correct.

1) Tren E, has less esters, peaks at a slow pace and leaves the system slowly, while Tren A has more esters peaks faster and leaves the system faster. One esther attached

2) Tren A is better when it comes to maintaining stable blood levels, especially when you want to gain muscle mass and strength. Tren E however is a better option if you want to bulk, while Tren A would be the better option if you want to cut. tren ace/E CAN BE USED dor either a bulking stack or cutting ace is better for a cut

3) Tren E is rarely associated with night sweats, insomnia, and over-aggression. tren affects everyone differently some guys even on trenE have it bad

Secondly, if you are considering the SuperCutMix and "something goes wrong" you would have to completely stop the entire cycle and start PCT, or find Test only vials fast to continue with the cycle. Alternatively, If you use the compounds separately, you can better mitigate any challenges.

Remember Milk Thistle, not only for Tren, but Test too. (Milk thistle for test?) test a non toxic compound the last time i checked)

Enjoy the pinning. :whistle:

Some of this information is incorrect here. You should ask or talk to guys who have actual XP on tren about what you said on a few things here.

SamZ4000 wrote:

eatClen wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Firstly, I need to apologize for giving incorrect information. I had it wrong in saying that Tren E is better absorbed by the body than Tren A. This is incorrect and the opposite is correct.

1) Tren E, has less esters, peaks at a slow pace and leaves the system slowly, while Tren A has more esters peaks faster and leaves the system faster. One esther attached

2) Tren A is better when it comes to maintaining stable blood levels, especially when you want to gain muscle mass and strength. Tren E however is a better option if you want to bulk, while Tren A would be the better option if you want to cut. tren ace/E CAN BE USED dor either a bulking stack or cutting ace is better for a cut

3) Tren E is rarely associated with night sweats, insomnia, and over-aggression. tren affects everyone differently some guys even on trenE have it bad

Secondly, if you are considering the SuperCutMix and "something goes wrong" you would have to completely stop the entire cycle and start PCT, or find Test only vials fast to continue with the cycle. Alternatively, If you use the compounds separately, you can better mitigate any challenges.

Remember Milk Thistle, not only for Tren, but Test too. (Milk thistle for test?) test a non toxic compound the last time i checked)

Enjoy the pinning. :whistle:

Some of this information is incorrect here. You should ask or talk to guys who have actual XP on tren about what you said on a few things here.

Mind sharing what information is incorrect?

While using Tren E I still experienced night sweats, not insomnia but felt better with less sleep. And over aggression. Yep that is a thing always.

SamZ4000 wrote:

eatClen wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Firstly, I need to apologize for giving incorrect information. I had it wrong in saying that Tren E is better absorbed by the body than Tren A. This is incorrect and the opposite is correct.

1) Tren E, has less esters, peaks at a slow pace and leaves the system slowly, while Tren A has more esters peaks faster and leaves the system faster. One esther attached

2) Tren A is better when it comes to maintaining stable blood levels, especially when you want to gain muscle mass and strength. Tren E however is a better option if you want to bulk, while Tren A would be the better option if you want to cut. tren ace/E CAN BE USED dor either a bulking stack or cutting ace is better for a cut

3) Tren E is rarely associated with night sweats, insomnia, and over-aggression. tren affects everyone differently some guys even on trenE have it bad

Secondly, if you are considering the SuperCutMix and "something goes wrong" you would have to completely stop the entire cycle and start PCT, or find Test only vials fast to continue with the cycle. Alternatively, If you use the compounds separately, you can better mitigate any challenges.

Remember Milk Thistle, not only for Tren, but Test too. (Milk thistle for test?) test a non toxic compound the last time i checked)

Enjoy the pinning. :whistle:

Some of this information is incorrect here. You should ask or talk to guys who have actual XP on tren about what you said on a few things here.

Test can cause hepatotoxicity based on medical studies. toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?...db:@term+@DOCNO+3398

eatClen wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

esgaroth wrote: Just to give my 2cents.

If you are going to run tren don't go for a cal deficit diet. Rather up the carbs as you will need it when running tren. You can adjust your diet by small deficit every 2 weeks during your cycle. Rather start with high calories so you can cut down on calories as you progress towards your goals. Also do cardio after weights for 20 mins and increase cardio as required. Since you are already a very lean person starting at 3500 cal per day would be ideal and you will notice should your BF increase which I doubt because you are running tren. The stuff is good.

The more experienced guys can comment more on diet and cardio but this works well for me.

1. Get cycle support from NPL, you can pick it up at dischem for a fair price. It helps with skin health, heart health, liver support and one more thing I cant remember. It does its thing but don't stop using until after pct.

2. To assist in maintaining focus start watching bodybuilders youtube channels. It helps with motivation. Seth Feroce has a 5 part series on youtube Steriods drugs and life. Good material.

3. My 2cents. If you haven't gone shopping for your gear yet look into HD supercutmix or PFP 250. Blend of Test Prop, Tran A and Masteron P. Used PFP250 before. Has all the compounds you need for a good cutting cycle and works out a bit cheaper than buying the compounds individually.

4. You will learn how your body reacts and this is always valuable.

5. Remember to switch hands when you spend some "alone time" with yourself. And when you are desperate there is always Tinder.

Pretty much going to do exactly that, first few weeks, the carbs will be up and I will see how I react. Been at 3500 cal this week and going to hold that going into the cycle.

And thank you for reminding me about the NPL cycle support, I second that, used it last cycle but forgot about it.

Will look into the SuperCutMix, never been fan of a blend because I cant adjust each compound to the ratio I want but a good consideration since I'm busy pricing everything and it's not cheap.

Thanks for the motivation and words of advice. The last part had me laughing.

Firstly, I need to apologize for giving incorrect information. I had it wrong in saying that Tren E is better absorbed by the body than Tren A. This is incorrect and the opposite is correct.

1) Tren E, has less esters, peaks at a slow pace and leaves the system slowly, while Tren A has more esters peaks faster and leaves the system faster.

2) Tren A is better when it comes to maintaining stable blood levels, especially when you want to gain muscle mass and strength. Tren E however is a better option if you want to bulk, while Tren A would be the better option if you want to cut.

3) Tren E is rarely associated with night sweats, insomnia, and over-aggression.

Secondly, if you are considering the SuperCutMix and "something goes wrong" you would have to completely stop the entire cycle and start PCT, or find Test only vials fast to continue with the cycle. Alternatively, If you use the compounds separately, you can better mitigate any challenges.

Remember Milk Thistle, not only for Tren, but Test too.

Enjoy the pinning. :whistle:

Julle praat lekker stront.

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:lol:

At least it's entertaining. But the mind boggles.

Been reading around more and I want some input. Currently I have the test @ 400mg per week. Some sources keep the test @ 100mg per week (TRT dose) so the Tren does the work. What is your take on this?

Gym_Junkie wrote: Been reading around more and I want some input. Currently I have the test @ 400mg per week. Some sources keep the test @ 100mg per week (TRT dose) so the Tren does the work. What is your take on this?

Why would you want the 'tren' to do the work? What I have come to realize over the last 20 years is making Test do all the heavy lifting. I would personally run my normal dose of Test whatever that is for you, 250/500/700/1000mg+ and include 'some tren' whatever dose that might be, for me 0mg, I become to aggressive and I've tried all ways to get around it. Each time I've tried my life has become unmanageable, maybe the word isn't aggressive, but on another level 'irritable', hence trying to use the lowest possible dose for your desired outcome and that is true to anything you use. If tren is causing severe insomnia and you now adding hypnotics or tranquilizers to sleep and not being able to work due to irritability or fighting with your loved ones then it's not worth it for that individual, but if you handle it well and it isn't effecting your sleep 'where all the good shit happens to your metabolic system' and you eating well and getting a 'sense of well being' from the drug, then by all means smash it.

00pump wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote: Been reading around more and I want some input. Currently I have the test @ 400mg per week. Some sources keep the test @ 100mg per week (TRT dose) so the Tren does the work. What is your take on this?

Why would you want the 'tren' to do the work? What I have come to realize over the last 20 years is making Test do all the heavy lifting. I would personally run my normal dose of Test whatever that is for you, 250/500/700/1000mg+ and include 'some tren' whatever dose that might be, for me 0mg, I become to aggressive and I've tried all ways to get around it. Each time I've tried my life has become unmanageable, maybe the word isn't aggressive, but on another level 'irritable', hence trying to use the lowest possible dose for your desired outcome and that is true to anything you use. If tren is causing severe insomnia and you now adding hypnotics or tranquilizers to sleep and not being able to work due to irritability or fighting with your loved ones then it's not worth it for that individual, but if you handle it well and it isn't effecting your sleep 'where all the good shit happens to your metabolic system' and you eating well and getting a 'sense of well being' from the drug, then by all means smash it.

Awesome advice Pump. +

00pump wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote: Been reading around more and I want some input. Currently I have the test @ 400mg per week. Some sources keep the test @ 100mg per week (TRT dose) so the Tren does the work. What is your take on this?

Why would you want the 'tren' to do the work? What I have come to realize over the last 20 years is making Test do all the heavy lifting. I would personally run my normal dose of Test whatever that is for you, 250/500/700/1000mg+ and include 'some tren' whatever dose that might be, for me 0mg, I become to aggressive and I've tried all ways to get around it. Each time I've tried my life has become unmanageable, maybe the word isn't aggressive, but on another level 'irritable', hence trying to use the lowest possible dose for your desired outcome and that is true to anything you use. If tren is causing severe insomnia and you now adding hypnotics or tranquilizers to sleep and not being able to work due to irritability or fighting with your loved ones then it's not worth it for that individual, but if you handle it well and it isn't effecting your sleep 'where all the good shit happens to your metabolic system' and you eating well and getting a 'sense of well being' from the drug, then by all means smash it.

Sweet, I was just curious. I always run my Test as the base with supporting gear.

Thank you for the good advice, but I guess I will never know until I try it. Starting on Monday.

Gym_Junkie wrote:

00pump wrote:

Gym_Junkie wrote: Been reading around more and I want some input. Currently I have the test @ 400mg per week. Some sources keep the test @ 100mg per week (TRT dose) so the Tren does the work. What is your take on this?

Why would you want the 'tren' to do the work? What I have come to realize over the last 20 years is making Test do all the heavy lifting. I would personally run my normal dose of Test whatever that is for you, 250/500/700/1000mg+ and include 'some tren' whatever dose that might be, for me 0mg, I become to aggressive and I've tried all ways to get around it. Each time I've tried my life has become unmanageable, maybe the word isn't aggressive, but on another level 'irritable', hence trying to use the lowest possible dose for your desired outcome and that is true to anything you use. If tren is causing severe insomnia and you now adding hypnotics or tranquilizers to sleep and not being able to work due to irritability or fighting with your loved ones then it's not worth it for that individual, but if you handle it well and it isn't effecting your sleep 'where all the good shit happens to your metabolic system' and you eating well and getting a 'sense of well being' from the drug, then by all means smash it.

Sweet, I was just curious. I always run my Test as the base with supporting gear.

Thank you for the good advice, but I guess I will never know until I try it. Starting on Monday.

Exactly, enjoy it, expect stupid strength gains, got my best deadlift ever on Tren.