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26 Feb 2019 17:36 #219039 by Muscleaddict
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seiko wrote: Probably a year. No lump or pain. Just fat behind nipple. That’s before I started this cycle. Unlike now if I press it it’s sore


If it has been there a year then you are not going to get rid of it permanently with drugs. The best you'll get is a slight improvement but that might be enough for you visually. If you lower your estrogen low enough with an AI or block the estrogen receptors with nolvadex you will probably see a huge temporary reduction in size until you come off and have normal estogen levels again. The fatty gyno tissue is loaded with estrogen receptors that make it look puffier when estrogen levels go up.

An effective letro dose is always going to have kak side effects. No way around that. We all feel shit with very low estrogen levels. Lower libido and weaker erections (get some cialis), feeling down (impacts your serotonin), possibly sore joints.
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26 Feb 2019 19:13 - 26 Feb 2019 19:14 #219040 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: Probably a year. No lump or pain. Just fat behind nipple. That’s before I started this cycle. Unlike now if I press it it’s sore


If it has been there a year then you are not going to get rid of it permanently with drugs. The best you'll get is a slight improvement but that might be enough for you visually. If you lower your estrogen low enough with an AI or block the estrogen receptors with nolvadex you will probably see a huge temporary reduction in size until you come off and have normal estogen levels again. The fatty gyno tissue is loaded with estrogen receptors that make it look puffier when estrogen levels go up.

An effective letro dose is always going to have kak side effects. No way around that. We all feel shit with very low estrogen levels. Lower libido and weaker erections (get some cialis), feeling down (impacts your serotonin), possibly sore joints.


Muscleaddict is right.. If I was you I would not be worrying about this. I've been down this road way to many times. Any month now I will be doing my 4th surgery, if you don't have a lump don't put your body through what you wanting to put it through. I had my E2 sitting on 24 with 0.5 Arimidex twice a week (non exist estrogen levels), so I wouldn't go down the Letro path its ugly if you using it for what you trying to do. Just do the Nolva like MA suggested and get your bodyfat down, and the tissue will shrink, if you touching it you aggravating the tissue, leave it. I will say it again, get your bodyfat down, more bodyfat equals more estrogen when you stop.

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27 Feb 2019 13:33 #219041 by seiko
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Many thanks for your advises. I really appreciate it.

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15 Mar 2019 09:22 #219170 by seiko
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Hi guys. The arimidex I’m taking 1ED. Seems to have helped slightly so far with the gyno. For how much longer can I take it continuously before I need to stop?
Also wanted to know if I should take HCG. Primarily to increase testicle size. 2 weeks gone since my last shot. Thank in advance.

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15 Mar 2019 10:15 #219173 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: Hi guys. The arimidex I’m taking 1ED. Seems to have helped slightly so far with the gyno. For how much longer can I take it continuously before I need to stop?
Also wanted to know if I should take HCG. Primarily to increase testicle size. 2 weeks gone since my last shot. Thank in advance.


You taking 1mg everyday of Arimidex?

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15 Mar 2019 10:35 #219175 by seiko
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Yes 1mg every day

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15 Mar 2019 14:41 #219177 by Oupa
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You are destroying your joints

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15 Mar 2019 14:53 #219178 by seiko
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Joints aren’t feeling sore. I just want this gyno to go down

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15 Mar 2019 15:06 #219179 by Oupa
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seiko wrote: Joints aren’t feeling sore. I just want this gyno to go down


Aggressive approach is Letro & Nolvadex,

Your joints will suffer if you use estrogen decreasing drugs.
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15 Mar 2019 15:30 - 15 Mar 2019 15:38 #219180 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: Yes 1mg every day


Dude I told you that 0.5mg twice a week of Arimidex dropped my estrogen to nonexistent. So why would you need 1mg each day? You can't go lower than non existent, I have the bloods to prove it. You are just damaging your body. Myself and MA said that you can only reverse so much and that's that.. You can try what Oupa said but if a medication could reverse my gyno completely do you honestly think I would be going onto my 4th operation and coughing out 150k+ ? No I could easily have spent the money on other things.

I have tried every single protocol under the sun. Long before there was Arimidex and Letro I tried, Proviron, Nolva, Clomid, Masteron then Arimidex, then Letro to the point my knees wanted to snap while I'm standing my joints where so poked and I was constantly sick because of immune system destruction because of it, I was using 2.5mg a day for 3 months. And I've then mixed everything you can think of, oh I also forgot of all the progesterone lowering drugs and parkinsons drugs like oxpolo.

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15 Mar 2019 17:42 #219181 by seiko
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Ok I realize that now. I will go 0.5mg arimidex twice a week.
What about HCG??

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15 Mar 2019 18:08 #219182 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: Ok I realize that now. I will go 0.5mg arimidex twice a week.
What about HCG??


HCG will aggravate it, so that's the choice you need to make.

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15 Mar 2019 18:14 #219183 by seiko
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I’d rather not take that chance. Are there alternatives to HCG or do u suggest I let nature take its course?

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15 Mar 2019 19:00 #219184 by SamZ4000
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If you gyno is past fixing with meds, The knife is the only option. To fix it

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15 Mar 2019 19:48 - 15 Mar 2019 19:55 #219185 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: I’d rather not take that chance. Are there alternatives to HCG or do u suggest I let nature take its course?


If it was me I would worry more about what my body needs than what my tissue by my pec looks like. Honestly it's not the end of the world gyno. Ye it sucks to have, am I pissed off I have it hell ye, but I will never put my body through what I did to try reverse it again because you will never be satisfied regardless how much it shrinks you will always be unhappy it's not perfect and that is the human mind. I would go through times where I would say I wish I never used steroids looks at what it's done to me. Then i would do the surgery be unhappy that I've lost all that size use it again.. Then after my second operation i said ok let me use non aromatising drugs so I went and used primobolan and anavar and guess what the anavar caused gyno. But it didn't really only after chatting with my surgeon did I realize that due to not using testosterone my dominant hormone was estrogen floating around the body. So like I said, try the protocol Oupa said, see if it works for you, if you don't you will always think maybe it will, and maybe it will so try it if you want to, but if it doesn't don't be a sucker like me and hammer your body for months when you only going to get some reduction. I found I got my best reduction when I stopped all hormones and AIs and just let my body find it's own balance, get my bodyfat down and just focus on my health. If you need to save to go under the knife then it is what it is, if it's a little bit of tissue only, he will cut a tiny incision around the top part of your nipple, fold it down and just scrape around the area, some guys might lipo it if there is no physical lump. I have a hard painful lump and when someone touches it I'm reading to kill so I'm getting it cut out again because its uncomfortable. I get you don't like it, no one does.

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23 Mar 2019 13:01 #219255 by seiko
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@00pump. Thanks for your honest replies. I’m stopping the arimidex today. I’ve also decided to not go ahead with the HCG. Coming off everything. I’m feeling bottomed out. Is there any other way to get my test production back or just wait it out?
And most importantly the sex drive.

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23 Mar 2019 13:26 #219256 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: @00pump. Thanks for your honest replies. I’m stopping the arimidex today. I’ve also decided to not go ahead with the HCG. Coming off everything. I’m feeling bottomed out. Is there any other way to get my test production back or just wait it out?
And most importantly the sex drive.


With destroying your estrogen like you have you going to need some time.. Your testosterone production could be better than you think with with Adex but because your estrogen is squashed you may not be feeling it. Maybe all you need is some HCG, even though you doing it somewhat backwards. Run the HCG and get your balls back then do some bloods so you know where you stand and then we can advise on what to do, without the bloods it's a guessing game.

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23 Mar 2019 13:40 #219257 by seiko
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Ok I’ll do the HCG. How soon after that can I do bloods?
HCG 5000iu
What dosage and how many pins
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02 Apr 2019 09:41 #219335 by seiko
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Something I been thinking about. The quality of gear that I been taking. Mainly the clomid and arimidex. Could it impact what I’ve been trying to achieve?

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02 Apr 2019 10:25 #219336 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: @00pump

Something I been thinking about. The quality of gear that I been taking. Mainly the clomid and arimidex. Could it impact what I’ve been trying to achieve?


Help me be on your same thought path, what is it that you have been trying to achieve? And what is it that you are currently experiencing?

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02 Apr 2019 10:46 #219337 by seiko
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You advised me on trying to get rid of the gyno. And that I shouldn’t kill my body trying to get kill the gyno that’s not gonna go away. However I been thinking that maybe the quality of the clomid and arimidex might have not been up to scratch. I’m not sure if I can say the brand on this forum?

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02 Apr 2019 10:49 #219338 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: You advised me on trying to get rid of the gyno. And that I shouldn’t kill my body trying to get kill the gyno that’s not gonna go away. However I been thinking that maybe the quality of the clomid and arimidex might have not been up to scratch. I’m not sure if I can say the brand on this forum?


Clomid aggravates my gyno, and my opinion on reversing gyno hasn't changed, you can't. Balance your body, get your bloods done and make sure everything is in normal range and get your bodyfat down. What ever is left will require it to be cut out.

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02 Apr 2019 10:55 #219339 by 00pump
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You also welcome to mention any lab, but I only know of Liquid Pharma when it comes to recovery and bloods to back up it's effectiveness.

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02 Apr 2019 11:04 #219340 by seiko
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In that case the test and masteron was alpha pharma. (I hear it’s the best). The clomid and arimidex was Ciccone. (No comment)

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02 Apr 2019 11:47 #219341 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: In that case the test and masteron was alpha pharma. (I hear it’s the best). The clomid and arimidex was Ciccone. (No comment)


You said you where feeling bottomed out.. Have you gone for bloods yet ? This whole situation is so confusing, I think you need bloods and follow the trail, to help your gyno you need balanced hormones. So get your bloods.. have you done the hCG?

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