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TRT Gone haywire
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A bit of help/direction here please.
I'm 45 years old and have been on TRT for a few years now, running test at 200mg/week for the last 18 months or so. I have cycled in between and will give some history below.
My test results in February this year. I haven't included lab ranges.
Total Test - 23.4 nmol
SHBG 20.2 nmol
Free Test 656.9 pmol - Target upper 700's
Estradiol 117 pmol (31pg/ml) - Target is 81 pmol OR 22pg/ml
My results this week.
Total Test - 14.2 nmol
SHBG 23.3 nmol
Free Test 348.9 pmol - On 200mg/week!
Estradiol 61 pmol - 16pg/ml
DHEA - first test - 13umo Range is 1.9 to 13.4 (I'm supplementing with 25mg DHEA daily)
I've only recently been feeling the effects of low test and my estrogen being out of kilter.
All I have done recently (three months ago) is 250iu Hcg 3 x week for 4 weeks ( I run Hcg every 3 months or so for 4 weeks) followed by a run of SARMS, stacking Cardarine and LGD. I've run test at 200mg/week throughout.
I planned the SARMS for 8 weeks but stopped after 4 weeks as I wasn't feeling good ( I know that's not scientific, but to me I was getting very irritable, libido was low, sleep badly interrupted and generally not interested in life much). I stopped and just continued with my usual testosterone, 200 mg/week. I didn't do a PCT as recovery wasn't really top of mind for me considering I'm running exogenous test constantly.
About 4 weeks ago I started adex at 0.25mg every second day, I was concerned about my estrogen levels being too high and I attributed the irritability and low libido to high estrogen.
Obviously the adex did it's job to the estrogen, which is now lower than I would like. So my issue is why has my Test dropped so dramatically, almost to pre TRT levels (280 pmol)? I really have not done much different. Could the SARMS have such an impact on exogenous testosterone? As I understand adex should positively impact test levels if anything.
My immediate solution is to stop the adex, up my test to 300mg/week and test again in 6 weeks. Any comments or other ideas, something I'm missing maybe? It would be appreciated.
Cheers
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It is on you. It always has been...
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I'm keen to check what's going on here been on trt myself
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Only because I'm in range and, honestly, the reference ranges are subject to such debate and change across labs. Here they are though. From Ampath
DHEA S - 1.9 - 13.4
Total Test - 6.9 - 23.6
SHBG - 13.3 - 89.5
Free Test - 170 - 660 .
Oestradiol - <160
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I originally started on pharma (100mg/ml) some time ago but eventually just moved to underground as it was getting a lot to inject taking 200mg/week.
I'm using LP now and honestly have used tehir products over the years and never been disappointed. I guess it could be a product issue but I really believe in their quality so I don't think so hey....
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Lp only makes oral as far as I know so assume you meant something else, keep us posted
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With your SHBG and E2 low, I don't think you're converting. Main question, how are you feeling? I maintain that test results are a guide, how you feel is primary.
Just keep in mind that sometimes lab tests can go wrong and results sometimes are off. If in doubt, maybe just have a single retest of a marker?
I don't think the sarms have anything to do with your low test, I mean, your natural production of LH has stopped long ago and your testes are only reacting to the HCG... Maybe the HCG went bad? Any chance it was left out the fridge too long? Just thinking out loud. That would have reduced its potency, but still, to show sub 300 is really strange....
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I’m not feeling great at all, irritable, no libido, very fatigued, so I’d say the symptoms match the test results. I don’t think its the hcg as I stopped that almost 2 months ago. I know how I should feel, I’ve been on the crest of the TRT wave and I’m nowhere near that which sucks. Maybe it was the gear like Morrgear suggested, or something else I’ve taken, maybe stress at work messing with my cortisol, who knows.
I’m going to run at 300/week for 6 weeks or so and drop any AI, I’ll see where it goes. Thanks for the comments.
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I’m going to take yours and empires advice and pin daily for now.
Thanks again
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