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- test (basic on every cycle), i like equipoise, (i know that it can get you hunger... good for me) but maybe something like test enanthate it's better... the equipoise has less sides than test-e (?) I'm searching something with a low half-life so if i notice sides i can stop the test and run some Nolva/Clomid, but i haven't found anything like this...
- proviron, increase the test effect and avoid that aromatase into extro (like this feature).
I'm 23 yo, training since 19/20, 178cm, 72Kg (i have "thin bones", and i'm in ipo) at low/med BF%.
PS: Some advices for the PCT ? I've already read the guide.
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Follow my advice and do a test ONLY cycle for your first cycle. Know how you respond to testosterone is critical.
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Testosterone Cyp (enough for 12 weeks @ 500mg per week)
Arimidex / Letro as AI in case you have gyno symptoms, don't use it unless you need it otherwise you will never know if your gyno prone. You can add Proviron throughout @ 40mg to 60mg everyday if you have the budget.
Clomid 50mg everyday for 2 weeks
Nolvadex 20mg for 30days
HCG 2 x 5000iu vials
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Oupa wrote: You like equipose but haven't used steroids before?
Follow my advice and do a test ONLY cycle for your first cycle. Know how you respond to testosterone is critical.
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Testosterone Cyp (enough for 12 weeks @ 500mg per week)
Arimidex / Letro as AI in case you have gyno symptoms, don't use it unless you need it otherwise you will never know if your gyno prone. You can add Proviron throughout @ 40mg to 60mg everyday if you have the budget.
Clomid 50mg everyday for 2 weeks
Nolvadex 20mg for 30days
HCG 2 x 5000iu vials
12 weeks ? I was thinking about a cycle from 6 to a max of 8 weeks! I like equipoise for what i've read on it, low androgen effects and low estrogenic activity. Why cyp test and not the en? Thank's for answering me, and sorry for all these questions!
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Edit: Don't need some legalon ?
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Recapping:
CYCLE
500mg of test/week once day, for 10/12 weeks;
40mg Proviron/day, for 10/12 weeks (optional);
Arimidex close at hand (what dosage?)
PCT 36 days after last injection
Clomid 50mg/day for 2 weeks;
Nolvadex 20mg/day for 30 days;
HCG 500ui 1 day on 1 day off ?
(I'm really sorry for all my silly answer!)
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(i've splitted test in 2 injection, if you think it's the same i'll be only 1/wk)
| Test c | Proviron | |
|---|---|---|
| Monday | - | 40mg |
| Tuesday | - | 40mg |
| Wednsday | - | 40mg |
| Thursday | 250mg | 40mg |
| Friday | - | 40mg |
| Saturday | - | 40mg |
| Sunday | 250mg | 40mg |
For the pct i'll open another Topic in the right category. I didn't understand how to use arimidex, the dosages and when exactly
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This is your cycle thread, so no need to open another one for your PCT.
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The PCT starts with 2 weeks of Clomid @ 50mg/day, after these 2 weeks starts Nolva @ 20mg/day for 30 days, and that's ok i've understood this. Instead the HCG assuming is confusing me, the sample says 5000ui splitted in 10 assuming 500ui EOD starting with Nolva, Oupa said 2x5000ui (10'000ui), so if i split it in 20 assuming 500ui EOD they last for 40 days, 10 over the Nolva, is this the right mode ?
On the sample the pct starts 29 day after the last injection, on the other article it says to start 36 days next, what's right?
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If you choose during cycle: 250iu @ 2 x per week from week 4 onwards. Then no need in PCT.
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OPTRON wrote: During cycle, one vial won't last the remaining 8 weeks, therefore Oupa suggested two.
5000iu/250= 20/2= 10 weeks? Unless my maths are fucked
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OPTRON wrote: Effectiveness. Once mixed it won't last 8 weeks.
Point taken
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@Oupa: you said 2 hcg vials to use them on cycle ?
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Search for the instructions on how you mix the HCG before you ATTEMPT it by yourself
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Oupa wrote: Yes 2 vials. 3 if you havnt mixed HCG before because i can almost guarantee that you might crash the first solution.
Search for the instructions on how you mix the HCG before you ATTEMPT it by yourself
i'll do for sure.
OPTRON wrote: Bud, in the Information section, you will find PCT. There you find a table which shows you that with Cyp you wait 36 days after your last shot, before you start you PCT. In this time you can use a short ester, a bridge, to help you keeping your gains.
Seen it, but how you can see in the cyp sample, from cycle to pct there are 29 days not 36 that's it.
Like the bridge idea, thought to use testovis EOD for 3 weeks (half-life 4.5 days so 36-4,5*3 = 22 --> 3 weeks) don't know the dosages, maybe 1st wk 300mg 2nd wk 250mg and 3rd 200mg is a good idea ? Have to start this just the other day after last injection of cyp, right ?
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Bridge period
= Longest ester half-life X 3
= 12d X 3
= 36 days
PCT start
= last pin + 36 days
= 77 + 36
= 113
In the cycle page our friend is referring to it says you start Nolva on day 113. Maybe a small error somewhere? Even backed up here .
Miticco, 36 days is correct.
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