TREN E / TEST E / EQ Cycle & PCT Advice

Hello Fellow Steroid Users.

I'm planning on doing the following cycle for a bulk.(Clean Bulk)

Components Of Cycle

4 x PGW Tren Enanthate
2 x PGW Test Enanthate
1 x PGW Test Propionate
3 x PGW Equipose
1 x LP Anavar
1 x LP Letrozole
1 x LP Clomid
1 x LP Nolvadex
1 x LP Clen
1 x Synthesis HCG
1 x Merck SA Ovidrel
1 x LP Aromasin

Caber On Hand*

First off I'm not completely sure about the Letrozole dosages
and actually just have it for safety, but i've never had any estrogen
related issues thus far or Prolactin issues and this will be my 3rd Tren
cycle, but first time doing the Enanthate version. How would I go on about
dosing it.

I'll be doing PCT Protocol 3 ( Doctari's)

I would just like to know are these Protocols designed with the fact
in mind that HCG was ran throughout the cycle? Also Should Ovidrel be used
in HCG's place as during my cycle or should I keep HCG twice a week 250IU
and run the Ovidrel exactly as in the PCT protocl. No changes?

What's the point of Aromasin during this PCT. There won't be anymore
exogenous Testosterone so why should aromatization be inhibited although
the Ovidrel will be increasing Estrogen by itself?

Please give opinion or tips on what should be changed in cycle.
Criticism welcomed.

Approximate Stats
Height : 178CM
Weight : 94KG
BF % : 14%
Age : 24

Here is My Cycle in Excel Format

I hate decoding cycles on excel tables. :S

PGW Tren-En is dosed at 150mg/ml so take 2ml per week for optimal results.
Letro you can take 2 drops EOD.

Thanks for the reply Pyroclasm!
Basically this is my Cycle
Week 1-13 Equipose 350 @ 0.8ml E3D (280mg/shot) (840mg/ week)
Week 1-16 Test E 300 @ 0.5ml E3D (150mg/shot) (450mg/ week)
Week 4-16 Tren E 150 @ 1.3ml E3D (195mg/shot) (585mg/ week)

Will up the anavar to 60mg.

PGW Tren E 200mg/ml ? Are you sure ? My vial says 1500mg/10ml.

Please double check I hope I don't have fake.

Also running The test low, because I read couple of places that Test
should only be used for normal function, because essentially the Tren
and Test will be competing for the same receptors and Tren will always win
causing less Test to bind and eventually end up aromatizing. Is this correct
or should I bump up Test to 1ml/shot.

Both Testosterone and Trenbolone work on the Androgen and Progesterone receptors so I understand the theory that they will compete but it's a small scale compared to the big picture. Trust me you can use them both together with great results from both compounds as they are 'additive' compounds.

Add: PGW Tren-En is 150mg/ml I had a brainfart

Fudge me but did I read that table wrong. :silly: That is a craphouse of gear for a 24 year old dude dayum but I guess your previous cycles were also dosed very high... Unfortunately many cycles with unnecessary high dosages will annihilate your receptors so now you are forced to use excessive dosages for the same effect. You absolutely need to use the Cabasser as a regular part of your cycles from now. On your next cycle it will be even worse. What were the dosages on your previous cycle? 24 years old and running cycles like that of a professional bodybuilder, how many cycles have you run in total? I'm guessing you don't take 6 months breaks between cycles?

Pyroclasm wrote: Both Testosterone and Trenbolone work on the Androgen and Progesterone receptors so I understand the theory that they will compete but it's a small scale compared to the big picture. Trust me you can use them both together with great results from both compounds as they are 'additive' compounds.

Add: PGW Tren is 150mg/ml I had a brainfart

Fudge me but did I read that table wrong. :silly: That is a craphouse of gear for a 24 year old dude dayum but I guess your previous cycles were also dosed very high... Unfortunately many cycles with unnecessary high dosages will annihilate your receptors so now you are forced to use excessive dosages for the same effect. You absolutely need to use the Cabasser as a regular part of your cycles from now. On your next cycle it will be even worse. What were the dosages on your previous cycle? 24 years old and running cycles like that of a professional bodybuilder, how many cycles have you run in total? I'm guessing you don't take 6 months breaks between cycles?

Ye, no fucken around. A serious dude.

My first Tren Cycle was Ace 100mg EOD
Second was Ace 120mg EOD.

Basically I'm trying to mimick the Ace cycle so
that their peak release of the esters are about the
same. Or should I rather stick to 1ml E3D as a first
time Enanthate user. I usually take 3-4 Months off.

Really appreciate your advice Pyroclasm.

Is the EQ and Test dosages fine?

If you used Tren A @ 100mg EOD then 300mg Tren E @ 95kg is an avg dose.

840mg of Equi a week... You're going to be hiding under your bed seeing dead people.

Hahaha First time EQ user.

Would 0.5ml E3D be better than current 0.8ml?

First time EQ 525mg/week (1.5ml) is perfect. Do you know how to Frontload?
The test you can run at 600mg/week (2ml).

Okay changing the cycle now.

Yes I know how to frontload, but with what
compound? Dbol?Tbol?

Havn't used orals in a while.

Thanks again Pyroclasm

No that's an oral Frontload. I am talking about an Equipoise Frontload. I want to show you how using steroids in a clever way will give you maximum results and place little strain on the body, far better than using reckless dosages and hoping.

Yes please I would appreciate the help havn't Frontloaded yet.

Frontload necessary for very long esters right?

Also might be a stupid question, but I'm confused when people use
dosages as a per week measurement. For example I inject Test Enanthate
300mg E3D. I start on Day 1. The first week would have 3 injections and 900mg in total
and the following 2 weeks will have 2 injections 600mg total if you follow E3D and then again 3 injections on the 4th week. So what is the per week dose then? 7 days scope from any injection?
It's better to stick to a E3D frequency rather than just choose 2 solid days of the week to stick
to each week am I right?

I'm also a bit skeptical on the ovidrel in Doctari's PCT which is ran alongside
Aromasin and Nolvadex. I've read on quite a few forums where people suggest that
HCG's should be discontinued before Clomid start, because it suppresses.
Can someone please clarify this to me.

Thank you in advance

Forget the E3D and work on a per week basis. For the cycle you want to run with the shortest ester being Enanthate you should pin twice a week.

It is true that both Clomid and HCG suppresses LH, so ideally you shouldn't run them together. Ideally run the HCG with Nolvadex. You will see this in our PCT protocols. Is it terrible to run HCG and Clomid together? No.

EQ Frontload protocol for a first-time user:
Week 1-5: 2x planned dosage (in this case 2x525mg=1050mg per week. Yes really!)
Week 6-13: 525mg per week
You will need 3 vials of EQ for this.
Normally EQ takes 9-10 weeks to be in full swing. Because of the Frontload it should be in full swing by week 6.

Okay thanks Pyroclasm!

And should I expect this immense paranoia everyone's referring to?

Also I received my Ovidrel, but it's a premixed syringe 0.5ml

So how would I make mine 2.5ml. Can you buy a vial with 2ml sterile water?
And I simply inject the 0,5ml into it?

From Doctari's PCT
"Get a 2ml sterile water ampule and insulin needles. Draw up the 1ml ampule provided in the Ovidrel box and mix it into the powdered bottle.
Take 1.5ml sterile water from the 2cc ampule and mix it in as well. Now your Ovidrel vial should have 2.5ml in it."

Stay off drugs, use as directed, and the paranoia will be fine. For the Ovitrelle you can use an empty B12 or Test vial, buy some sabax water and mix. Remember that HCG is extremely fragile so inject it SLOWLY down the sides of the vial, or you will kill it.

THEEBull wrote: Also I received my Ovidrel, but it's a premixed syringe 0.5ml

You didn't receive Ovidrel, you received Ovitrelle. They are the same thing but packaged differently. The mixing instructions in the PCT article is for Ovidrel and not Ovitrelle, so you will have to use some common sense and figure out how to get the same dosage. Really not that hard.

Pyroclasm wrote: Stay off drugs, use as directed, and the paranoia will be fine. For the Ovitrelle you can use an empty B12 or Test vial, buy some sabax water and mix. Remember that HCG is extremely fragile so inject it SLOWLY down the sides of the vial, or you will kill it.

Hey Pyroclasm so I adjusted some of the variables of the Cycle and it's as follows

Tren Enanthate | Week 1 - 16 @ 1.3ml x 2 Per Week (390mg/Week)
Test Enanthate | Week 1 - 16 @ 1ml x 2 Per Week (600mg/Week)
Equipose | Week 1 - 5 @ 1.6ml x 2 Per Week (1120mg/Week) *FRONTLOAD
Equipose | Week 6 - 14 @ 0.8ml x 2 Per Week (560mg/Week)


Okay so I changed the cycle a bit how does everything look now?
Care to comment on the duration maybe. Did some research on the duration
Tren E should be run at , but opinions differ way too much. Would 16 weeks
of Tren E be too rough?

Not giving advice but I did my last cycle of tren e at 16 weeks

You like hurting yourself don't you? Tren E for 10 weeks 12 tops.