Help Advice and Critisism Needed Please

Hi all.

I'm keen to do my first cycle. I've been researching to the endth degree and have chosen which steroid will suit my goals best (I think).

Let me give some background:

I'm 28 years old, been in the gym on and off since highschool but never really took it serious enough. I've been hitting it solid now for the last 11 months and have dropped from 111kg to 100kg. Mostly fat dropped and some muscle gained. Been using creatine and Animal Stak with their ancillary proteins etc. I'm 1.90m tall. My diet is clean, I cut out carbs to under 50gr per day but intend to follow a USN type diet when on the cycle, minimizing my fat amounts and taking in some carbs instead of almost zero carbs. Will also be trying to keep the calories low.

I idiotically meddled with test and stuff in university and just stopped using it. Never heard of a PCT before. You know the buddy buddy thing. I slipped into a severe depression and emotional state after stopping this and I would like to avoid this at all costs. It almost cost me my studies and relationship with my fiance.

I can't emphasize this enough, if depression is the norm after stopping a cycle I will steer well clear and forever be a thin man.

I have a few questions, please help out. Feel free to copy bullets and add replies, whatever is easiest.


• I’ve decided I’d like to do a 6 week cycle. I work north of South Africa for 7 weeks at a time, so I’d like a week to get into the gym after my break in SA and then hit it hard for 6 weeks.
• I’ve decided I’d like to use 50mg of Anavar daily to test the waters. It also suits my goal of reducing fat while putting on some lean mass. Accelerated fat loss as well as its milder hepatic influence is attractive, I do have some belly fat.
• I then need to stack it with a Test. Propionate or Enanthate?
• I’m not a baby, but some guys really kak off with the propionate pins, I saw on this site that PGW’s Propionate doesn’t cripple, is this true?
• If I can handle Prop I would prefer it due to being more stable test levels in my body, having less water retention and less chance of gyno etc. Looking to do 100mg every other day?
• If I go with Enanthate, should I run an AI, if so, which one (Proviron or Aramidex)? I know I should have one on hand, I want to know if I should run one during the cycle and if so, when to stop?
• What’s the shelf life of the Testosterone? It will be in transport, un-cooled for approximately 14 days.
• Will this test make me go mental and want to slap every person in the office, or is this test increase easily controllable? Honest question here guys, I’m new to this, don’t know what to expect.
• Will I feel depressed and emotional when coming off this cycle? If yes I will steer well clear. Will be doing a PCT.

So, 50mg of Anavar a day and 100mg of Propionate every other day (preferably) or else Enanthate every 7 days with or without an AI?

PCT - Here's where quite a few questions arise.

I get conflicting info on WHEN to start the PCT.

From this site it states I should wait 14 days before I start with my PCT if using Prop and carry on for 3 weeks, and
30 days if I was using Test Enanthate and carry on for 5 weeks. This sure seems like a long time to wait? From my research some guys start their PCT while still ON the cycle? Help to clarify please!

If I'm indeed understanding the PCT waiting period correctly, then:

• If using Prop then after 14 days since last test pin, 7 days of Clomid as stated in “articles” and also 3 weeks with Nolva.
• If using Enanthate then 30 after last test pin, 7 days of Clomid and also continue with Nolva for 5 weeks.
• There is no provision of HGC? Is this necessary? Some information sources include 300iu every 5 days while on cycle.
• Do I need to take Nolva on cycle at all? Or is it and Aramidex/Proviron not necessary?

Guys, info would be greatly appreciated. I know its a lot, but I don't want to damage myself physically and also not mentally/emotionally.

Cheers,

Pieman

WTH is a U.S.N. type diet??! :lol: Pure dextrose with some amino acids?

Pieman wrote: Hi all.

I'm keen to do my first cycle. I've been researching to the endth degree...

Stopped reading there. I think you mean "Nth degree"



Also, kek's at Pyro :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pieman, read some articles on this site HERE . A lot of your misconceptions, queries and errors will be resolved.

7 weeks is a short amount of time. Do you work 7 weeks on, 7 weeks off? Please explain the time restriction. If you can only juice every other 7 weeks - perhaps consider doing a couple of 7 week cycles to reap proper benefits? Oupa is a proponent of short stints, perhaps he can shower us with insight.

Ciao bud.

Pyroclasm wrote: WTH is a U.S.N. type diet??! :lol: Pure dextrose with some amino acids?

Low fat, with some carbs as opposed to zero carbs and calorie deficit that I'm currently doing and have used to drop 11kg of fat. If you're not familiar with the diet, here it is:

Link was moderated methinks. Anyway, its not too relevant and wasn't a question, there are plenty diets to follow while on cycle and I'll choose one of them, the questions I have are mainly regarding the PCT.

@ Furk, thanks for pointing out the language, I think a better term would be "shitloads of research", but still there are things that are unclear, that's why I'm here.

I have also read all the articles on this site but I'd still like some clarity.

Guys, I come hat in hand. I don't profess to know anything about this, its my first cycle and I clearly state this in the heading and I don't want to damage myself, I work in the middle of nowhere and don't know anyone who's on gear that can advise.

Maybe I should have been more clear in my heading and asked for constructive criticism instead of only critisism?

@Furk, I've read through those articles and plenty of others. There is so much conflicting regarding WHEN to start the PCT! Seriously, some say start while on the cycle, this site says start 3 weeks after last pin (If I'm understanding it correctly?).

To answer your questions:

Yeah 7 weeks is pretty short, I work in a shithole in the middle of nowhere in Congo, but we have a good gym. I then return home to SA for two weeks, but don't have a gym close-by because I live on a farm. It's for this reason that I want to do a 6-7 week cycle.

Just my 2c,

Stick to your plan of anavar and prop.
bump the anavar to 60mg p/d run for the entire length with 100mg prop eod.

As its your first cycle you wont know if you need an AI or not but in my case prop makes me get more estro sides so have an AI on hand. Adex is good.

I prefer running 25-50mg proviron with all my cycles but is not a necessity.

As Furk said you will have to use the short cycle approach and use orals and short esters to get the results.
Just remember PCT and time off between.

Ok firstly, you are going to be cycling in Congo. I take it you are either getting gear in Congo on day 1, or you are taking gear with you. Are you comfortable with this? I sure as hell won't be mate.

Pieman wrote: Pie,


• I’ve decided I’d like to do a 6 week cycle. I work north of South Africa for 7 weeks at a time, so I’d like a week to get into the gym after my break in SA and then hit it hard for 6 weeks.
• I’ve decided I’d like to use 50mg of Anavar daily to test the waters. It also suits my goal of reducing fat while putting on some lean mass. Accelerated fat loss as well as its milder hepatic influence is attractive, I do have some belly fat.
50mg of Anavar is little if you want to do a oral only cycle. Anavar doesn't burn fat. Diet, exercise and Clen does. Perhaps 60-80mg Var ED + 100mg Test Prop EOD.
• I then need to stack it with a Test. Propionate or Enanthate?
Depends on your time restrictions. Prop will be in and out quicker. This choice determines when to start PCT.
• I’m not a baby, but some guys really kak off with the propionate pins, I saw on this site that PGW’s Propionate doesn’t cripple, is this true?
I've done one cycle of PGW Prop, had PIP so bad I could hardly act normal in company that didn't know I was on the sauce.
• If I can handle Prop I would prefer it due to being more stable test levels in my body, having less water retention and less chance of gyno etc. Looking to do 100mg every other day?
You can get stable blood levels with any of the 3 test esters. (stable enough for AAS cycle purposes) 100-150mg should be fine I reckon.
• If I go with Enanthate, should I run an AI, if so, which one (Proviron or Aramidex)? I know I should have one on hand, I want to know if I should run one during the cycle and if so, when to stop?
Proviron isn't really an AI mate. Keep Aramidex or Aromasin (best) on hand and only use if needed. If you encounter problems revert to us and we can advise how to manage. The AI will cut your Estrogen right off so it's not needed all the time.
• What’s the shelf life of the Testosterone? It will be in transport, un-cooled for approximately 14 days.
Your steroids are safe. It's HCG in solution form that needs special care.
• Will this test make me go mental and want to slap every person in the office, or is this test increase easily controllable? Honest question here guys, I’m new to this, don’t know what to expect.
Are you an asshole? Do you consider yourself to have a short temper? If yes, then those could become more prominent. Test will most likely amplify your current personality traits.
• Will I feel depressed and emotional when coming off this cycle? If yes I will steer well clear. Will be doing a PCT.
Perhaps not depressed, but you will miss it.

PCT timing HERE





By MuscleAddict:

When to start PCT?

To calculate accurately when to start PCT we need to look at the type of AAS used, the doses and the duration of the cycle. Generally, using 3 to 4x the half-life of the longest acting steroid in our cycle is a safe estimate. But when using nandrolone and trenbolone which are very suppressive, or a very high dose cycle, it is best to wait a bit longer to be safe.

To put this in perspective, a healthy 30 year old man’s total testosterone level on average is around ±600ng/dL. After 12 weeks on a cycle of testosterone enanthate at 600mg/week it will be ±5000ng/dL. Using a half-life of 10 days would put him at 2500ng/dL 10 days after his last shot, 1250ng/dL after 20 days and 625ng/dL 30 days into his bridge to PCT. Now that his testosterone level has dropped to the normal range the negative feedback on the HPTA will be minimal and SERMs will be effective enough to start PCT.

Now if for example he had added tren enanthate to that cycle, after 30 days into his bridge his ‘normal’ 625ng/dL testosterone level combined with the remaining circulating trenbolone in his system would still be a very suppressive and SERMs would be ineffective. It would then be best to extend the bridge by about 2 weeks. Take this kind of scenario into consideration if you plan on stacking different injectables on your cycle.

It is also important to ensure that estradiol (predominant potent form of estrogen) is low when starting PCT. Estradiol is extremely suppressive on the HPTA, even more so than testosterone. By minimizing it we can stimulate our hypothalamus and pituitary much more during PCT, improving recovery, and boosting testosterone production. An AI like aromasin is advised, particularly if you have been using HCG through your bridge as HCG increases estradiol along with the testosterone it produces. Elevated estradiol will also cause libido problems if your T:E ratio gets too low so you might need to add in an a low dose of an AI just for this purpose, even if you do not get gyno symptoms.

Just an addition: I've been to many African countries (South Africa is like Africa Lite/Diet) but never been in areas that are "civil" enough to have a decent gym or fitness scene. So if you have experience or knowledge, please share brah. I would appreciate it.

Guys, these are the type of responses I'm looking for - thanks a mil.

@Furk, with regards to the location, that'll have to remain disclosed for now. It's a new mine site that's being developed and we have good recreational facilities and even have a newly built Spar, although it carries limited stock/availability. Obviously my diet is clean, so I get my fresh veg from there but my meat and poultry I freeze in SA and fly with it as luggage.

As for the gear, I will not touch Congolese stuff! Will get from SA, still need to figure out where. On this site it states PGW's Propionate hasn't got any PIP, so I'll probably get from them. It'll then go by road by truck, hence the question about its shelf-life.

Oi cheers Pieman.

First, I am not (and never will) ask for details about who you are, exactly where you work, or specifics to compromise your identity. Plus that's against forum rules. Just asking in a broad sense of Congo. Like that comment about the Congolese gear, I appreciate your opinion on the stuff. (You didn't mention DRC or Republic of Congo, so we wouldn't know where you work anyway

I've used Prop in the past and I suffered intense PIP throughout the whole cycle. I pinned quads and glutes, and the injection sites developed into rock hard swelling. We came to the conclusion I have an allergic reaction to a component in the PGW Prop mix. But hey, I'm only one case.

Guys, the advice has been good. Thanks again.

The prop seems a bit much for a first cycle so I'm going with Test-E. I need an AI methinks. I'm in the middle of nowhere and need this on-hand. I'll be in the middle of nowhere on PCT too so I need Aromasin, Adex and Nolva don't go too well apparently.

Problem is I can't find any Aromasin, eekk!!!!!!! Problem!!!

Here's my shopping list:

1x 10ml Vial Axiolabs Testaplex E250
3x Eu Pharmaceuticals Oxandrolone, hope quality is OK, any opinions?
Aromasin at least 765mg
2x Synthesis HCG 5000
1x Pfizer Kessar 20 (Nolvadex)
2x Cipla Medpro Fertomid (Clomid)
1x EU Pharmaceuticals Proviron
2x Ciccone Bacteriostatic Water
1x Axiolabs Arimiplex
Taurine
Liv 52

What you guys think?

Is taurine an illegal substance? If NOT, where can I buy some?

You need 3 vials Test-E. Taurine is a normal supplement you can find at any shop that sells whey protein.

Why 3x Pyro?

Was planning on doing 250ml every 7th day for 56 days which is right on 10ml. Will get 2x of those little 1ml 250ml capsules incase I mess a bit. Planning on doing 7 weeks but hey, might stay on a bit more.

500mg Test-E per week minimum! and run for 12 weeks for optimal results.