Cruising

Hi guys
I have decided to cruise for awhile this is what I had in mind if you could please let me know what you think.
250mg ugl test e
350mg equi, both pinned one a week.
Adex when needed
Might put some orals in here and there depending on progress.
The cruise will lead into an npp cycle in a few months.

Would I cycle hcg one month on one month off at 500ius/wk?
Should I be giving blood to keep rbc in check?

If there is anything else I should be doing or if you know of any good links on this if you could please advise

600mg of gear isn't really a cruise cycle :whistle:

That's not a cruise bro..a cruise should be 125mg of test or so.

Yip as the boys said above. If you've decided to cruise until your next cycle you want to do it at TRT dose so that your body has a break from the strain.
If you've just come off cycle cruising on Equi is going to do your blood count no good at all.

I was thinking at 250mg the actual test I would be getting is around 200mg unless it was dosed exactly which is more than likely not the case. Is 200mg 0.8ml alright then wouldnt what one weighs influence the cruise dose?

Should I lower the equi or leave it out completely and rather put primo in at 200mg/wk have seen some guys put a milder steroid alongside test on a cruise, would you recommend something else?

Howzit Rhino, I was typing when your msg was posted will leave the equi out then, thanks. Have you decided what you doing after your bloods? Is it better to cruise on test from a chemist or is ugl test fine to go with?

All my bloodwork was 100% and I've decided to go on TRT. So I'll be cruising for the next 5 months on 150mg PGW test per week, I'll have bloods done through an Endo in a couple of months to see if I need to lower the dose.
I want to get my levels as stable and as close to natural levels as possible, if it was safe to TRT on higher doses like you're suggesting we'd all be doing it. But it's NOT!!
I'll be pinning subQ twice a week.

Like I said before, remember I'm 36 and am done reproducing so fertility isn't an issue for me In fact I'm getting fixed shortly.
This is also a decision I havent taken lightly and will be doing it with the help of an endocrinologist so I'm not just pinning and preying

I promise that if you fuck you fertility up now in a couple of years time when you see the love of your life walk out the door because you can't give her kids your gains will seem irrelevant

Shot Rhino great that your bloods were clear, sensible advice I like the way you going about it having a specialist on board, haha i was on the pinning and praying route by july I will hopefully qualify an as engineer and be in the position to afford doing the same. I have been riding out the last of my gear while I try make the call one day it yes then the doubt starts and so it goes. I am a liitle concerned that the benefits of 150mg/wk might be close to recovering with the added risk of been shutdown.

Im glad I run this by you guys got some good advice, have one vial test prop left in which to make the right decision.

If I was you I'd just do a full PCT once you've finished your prop off Bud. You'll recover quickly and the time off will help you grow better come next cycle.
It's never easy coming off but it a marathon not a sprint and we need to put our health and future before our gains somtimes

Thanks bro appreciate your input. All the best with your trt.

Another possible issue / concern with TRT is that you may become shutdown to the extent of where you are never able to stop TRT as your body refuses to produce test. Therefore you will have to pin until you die basically, imagine being in your 70's jabbing a needle into your ass!? That can't be comfortable!

So even if you are done with kids, there are certainly other things to think about when deciding to go onto TRT.

@Rhino, why are you pinning your TRT dose SubQ and what needle gauge are you planning on using? Pushing PGW Test Cyp through a 24g needle took a while when I had to use a 24g needle.

Psy I reckon most guys will be needing some extra test in their 70's regardless of what they do in their younger years. I'm also keen to hear what rhino has to say about the sub q I remember dr chrisler or something doing it in a video someone posted up here. Can imagine intra muscular injections becoming a problem after 30 or 40 years.

SQ injections will eventually release into the blood stream. It just takes a bit longer. Some guys use slin pins for IM test shots to limit scar tissue, but TRT doses are infrequent enough that it shouldn't be a problem.

As mentioned, there is no guarantee you will recover from cruising - many people are shutdown permanently. Unless you are prepared to have your nuts tied off today, rather stick to doing a proper PCT and recovery period. It's possible to keep most of your gains and even a large portion of the strength increase. Lots of guys relax their training and diet after PCT, and wonder why they shrink.

Seriously - I wouldn't consider cruising unless you're approaching 40. It's not a trivial decision. Even then, you might want to put some of your sperm on ice.

Hey Lobo everyone is correct by saying that is not a cruising does and i do agree but i am doing the same thing atm on 250mg testE and 250mg eq im taking winstrol also this might sound stupid but i am seeing very good results almost as good as i have on a full blown coarse of say 1000mg test 1000mg eq but this might also be due to the fact that i am on hgh and it is sort of amplifying the effects of the juice but yeah i have veins poping like crazy staying very lean aswel. im not telling you what to do as the others have much more knowledge then me but im just telling you my personal experience.

If you cruise at 250 mg test a week with 500 mg HCG a week will that not keep your own test production active? I have been cruising like this now for the past 6 months and last blood test 2 months ago all ok except for red cell count and ldl cholesterol that is just above maximum and testosterone of course. My cholesterol is however much lower that it was 3 years ago before I started exercising.

Yes somebody please answer this- would it mean that if you blast and cruise using hcg you could still have a full recovery after years of steroid use?

Triton wrote: If you cruise at 250 mg test a week with 500 mg HCG a week will that not keep your own test production active? I have been cruising like this now for the past 6 months and last blood test 2 months ago all ok except for red cell count and ldl cholesterol that is just above maximum and testosterone of course. My cholesterol is however much lower that it was 3 years ago before I started exercising.

500mg HCG per week? :blink:

Any exogenous test will be suppressive. Your natural test production is completely shut down at 250mg/w. Try some NAC for the cholesterol, and maybe donate a few pints

Eidolon wrote:

Triton wrote: If you cruise at 250 mg test a week with 500 mg HCG a week will that not keep your own test production active? I have been cruising like this now for the past 6 months and last blood test 2 months ago all ok except for red cell count and ldl cholesterol that is just above maximum and testosterone of course. My cholesterol is however much lower that it was 3 years ago before I started exercising.

500mg HCG per week? :blink:

Any exogenous test will be suppressive. Your natural test production is completely shut down at 250mg/w. Try some NAC for the cholesterol, and maybe donate a few pints

Sorry supposed to be 2 x 250 IU a week, will the HCG then be of any use during a cruising cycle. If I don't use it often it feels as if my testicles want to move inside my groin and it pain.

Triton wrote: Sorry supposed to be 2 x 250 IU a week, will the HCG then be of any use during a cruising cycle. If I don't use it often it feels as if my testicles want to move inside my groin and it pain.

Why do you think your testes are going into hiding without the HCG? Yes, it is because your natural test production is zero.

If you want to have nuts for cosmetic purposes on a cruise, HCG is probably the only way to achieve that. But long-term it may desensitize your LH receptors.

HCG is used on cycle to make recovery during PCT easier. I don't know of long-term benefits. Did someone recommend your cruise protocol to you? And have you checked your tsh/t3/t4 levels?

Eidolon wrote:

Triton wrote: Sorry supposed to be 2 x 250 IU a week, will the HCG then be of any use during a cruising cycle. If I don't use it often it feels as if my testicles want to move inside my groin and it pain.

Why do you think your testes are going into hiding without the HCG? Yes, it is because your natural test production is zero.

If you want to have nuts for cosmetic purposes on a cruise, HCG is probably the only way to achieve that. But long-term it may desensitize your LH receptors.

HCG is used on cycle to make recovery during PCT easier. I don't know of long-term benefits. Did someone recommend your cruise protocol to you? And have you checked your tsh/t3/t4 levels?

TSH tested was 2.4 did not test T3/T4. I did post that I did a beginner test only cycle and plan to cruise thereafter until end 2016 didn't receive a lot of comments. I am 43 now and plan to cruise until February and then do a lean cycle with tren and then a proper PCT.

Triton wrote: TSH tested was 2.4 did not test T3/T4. I did post that I did a beginner test only cycle and plan to cruise thereafter until end 2016 didn't receive a lot of comments. I am 43 now and plan to cruise until February and then do a lean cycle with tren and then a proper PCT.

250mg of test is close to a beginner cycle, boet...

I'm also only a part-time contributor here, so missed that thread. Did you piss people off to get the negative karma? Are you saying the lack of responses led you to make up your own protocol?

It's a bit strange to cruise after a beginner cycle. Recovery does take longer at (y)our age, but it's hardly an issue - at the most, I'd have gone for PCT3 rather than PCT1.

Eidolon wrote:

Triton wrote: TSH tested was 2.4 did not test T3/T4. I did post that I did a beginner test only cycle and plan to cruise thereafter until end 2016 didn't receive a lot of comments. I am 43 now and plan to cruise until February and then do a lean cycle with tren and then a proper PCT.

250mg of test is close to a beginner cycle, boet...

I'm also only a part-time contributor here, so missed that thread. Did you piss people off to get the negative karma? Are you saying the lack of responses led you to make up your own protocol?

It's a bit strange to cruise after a beginner cycle. Recovery does take longer at (y)our age, but it's hardly an issue - at the most, I'd have gone for PCT3 rather than PCT1.

I always listen to advice and after I send my before and after photos to Admin and he gave the go ahead I started my first cycle. The cruising reason I took after reading all of Oupas messages.
I will appreciate all input from all the members.
I do blood test every four months and so far my doctor is not complaining too much. She know what my blood test was before I started to cruise. I must say it changed my life now I am a very positive person my sex life is the best ever and hopefully by the end of the year my body mass will be where I want it to be. Thank you for your help so far.

That's great to know mate. Training hard always makes me happy too.

Let's wait for Oupa to comment. I clearly caught the tail end of this, but personally I would run the Doc's PCT now and get off everything ASAP if I were you.

Why did you decide to cruise after a beginner cycle?

Eidolon wrote:
Seriously - I wouldn't consider cruising unless you're approaching 40. It's not a trivial decision. Even then, you might want to put some of your sperm on ice.

What he said. Cruising in your 20's and even early 30's is stupid unless you have medical issues.

Triton taking your age into consideration and if your natural test is or was low before you started cycling, if the added test is giving you a better quality of life as you say why suffer with low t, I would be tempted to drop the dose down a to 150mg and see how you feel seems a preferred dose. Probably a good idea if you can afford it to have what you doing overseen by someone who knows his story and what issues to monitor. Just a perspective end of the day its your call. Lets us know how you go.