Schmidt's Summer Cut Cycle - Test P,Winny,Proviron

I'm starting my first proper cutting (read "non-bulking") cycle next Sunday, November 1st. This is my 4th cycle, the other 3 being long 12-14 week test, dbol, Proviron cycles which have yielded some decent gains. I've also done a few oral only tbol and var cycles and have experience with winny which I used to bridge my last cycle.

I'm going to log my very simple cutting cycle and my progress if anyone is interested.

Stats:
Age: 30
Current weight: 78kg
BF%: estimated at 11% (got pretty lean for H2O 2 weeks ago by dieting very hard and loads of cardio for 8 weeks, with a water drop in the final week. My back was a maze of veins and striations. Was probably 10% on the day)
Height: 1.78m

Current diet is roughly 2200 cals a day, with adjustments made every 2-3 weeks or so. My diet is pretty much on point after the last 8 weeks "prep" for H2O (don't judge me, nothing better than being mired at music fests, it's part of the Joburg boytjie lifestyle), and I do 3-4 x 40 min 5am fasted cardio sessions during the week and outdoor "yard" style (battle ropes, sprints, pull-ups, push-ups etc) fasted sessions on Saturday and Sunday mornings for an hour. I lift 5-6 times a week in the afternoon/evenings. Also ran clen during this cut and will throw some in again as I see necessary. I will post up my diet if requested.

Cycles is as follows:

Week 1 - 8 = Test Prop 100mg/ml 1ml EOD
Week 1 - 10 = Proviron 50mg ED
Week 4 - 8 = Winny 30 mg ED (week 4), 40mg ED (week 5 - 8 )
Week 3 - 10 = HCG 250iu twice a week

PCT2 14 days after last pin.

I know the best would be to bridge to PCT with the winny but I finish the cycle a few days before leaving for Cape Town for New Years and would prefer not to be juicing over that period, so the waiting period will just be Proviron.

Goals are to drop to 8% and if possible get up to 82kg, but the weight on the scale is not too much of a concern for me, I just want to be freaky and vascular and get a bit more size for summer, my Cape Town holiday and any parties/festivals coming up. Mtan is my best friend so just getting leaner and more vascular while being brown is my main goal.

I don't drink but as mentioned do like music fests and parties. Resting HR is 52 BPM and all the cardio I do really has brought my cardio-vascular system up.

Question:

Should I kick start with anything, or will the prop come in quickly enough not to bother? I am open to any suggestions. Would dbol be a waste on a cutting cycle even if only for the first 2 weeks?

Should up the test to 450 a week... 1.5mls 3X a week u can get away with instead of eod
U won't need a kick start
Run winny from week 6-10

Lex wrote: Should up the test to 450 a week... 1.5mls 3X a week u can get away with instead of eod
U won't need a kick start
Run winny from week 6-10

As I mentioned I leave for Cape Town 2 days after the last pin and would prefer to finish running the winny then too, but I could move the winny later by 2 weeks and continue it as bridge while in down there. I'll still be on the proviron so I might as well, will help me hold conditioning while I'm on holiday, which is the whole purpose of this cycle anyway.

Thanks Lex

I'm all set to start on Sunday. Slight change of plan as suggested by Lex.

150mg prop 3 times per week (Sun, Wed, Fri) instead of 100mg EOD. This results in slightly more test per week and 1 less pin.

I have 10 days of Tbol left from a previous cycle so I'll throw that in from Sunday at 40mg ED.

Really looking forward to this cycle. Since cutting and becoming lean and tanned as f*** (thank you melano!) the compliments and comments in and out of the gym have not stopped! I've recently switched back to an old gym where some of the guys haven't seen me in over 6 months and the looks on their faces is priceless :blush:

I have a really good idea of the physique I'd like to achieve and gains I'll be able to make in the next 8 weeks

Hey bud

How about this cycle?

Schmidt wrote:
Year 1 - 6: Oats (100000mg), Whey (30000mg), 1 banana, peanut butter (50000mg) ED, 7am
Year 1 - 6: Chicken & rice (1 cup cooked basmati) ED, 10am, 16:00
Year 1 - 6: Lean beef mince & white potato (1 large) ED, 13:00, 20:00
Year 1 - 6: Whey (30000mg) on training days, post workout

PCT: remember to breathe daily, and take at least 2 dumps ED (sometimes 3)

You should be able to put on 5kg in the first 12 weeks on this cycle, and continue to grow for the remainder of the 6 years

Oupa wrote: Hey bud

How about this cycle?

Schmidt wrote:
Year 1 - 6: Oats (100000mg), Whey (30000mg), 1 banana, peanut butter (50000mg) ED, 7am
Year 1 - 6: Chicken & rice (1 cup cooked basmati) ED, 10am, 16:00
Year 1 - 6: Lean beef mince & white potato (1 large) ED, 13:00, 20:00
Year 1 - 6: Whey (30000mg) on training days, post workout

PCT: remember to breathe daily, and take at least 2 dumps ED (sometimes 3)

You should be able to put on 5kg in the first 12 weeks on this cycle, and continue to grow for the remainder of the 6 years

When do I start the Dianabols and Clems???

Get some more tbol and run that for 4 weeks, then run the winny week 6 to 10. Keep the test dose slightly lower to about 250mg per week. You can always add some clen to the end of your cycle @ low dose around 60mcg for 5 weeks.

Oupa wrote: Get some more tbol and run that for 4 weeks, then run the winny week 6 to 10. Keep the test dose slightly lower to about 250mg per week. You can always add some clen to the end of your cycle @ low dose around 60mcg for 5 weeks.

Awesome thanks Oupa, will get some more tbol.

Reason for dropping the test dose?

@ 78kg 450mg prop for cutting is to way to much.

Oupa wrote: @ 78kg 450mg prop for cutting is to way to much.

Please elaborate. This is relevant to my interests...

Oupa wrote: @ 78kg 450mg prop for cutting is to way to much.

Noted.

Could I keep it at 100mg three times a week then to make dosing and measuring easier? 250mg divided by 3 or 4 pins a week is a bit tricky. 300mg I can do 100mg every Sun, Wed, Fri.

I see oupas point 450mg for his size is a waste..his body won't need that dose... Ja bro 100mg 3X a week is fine so 300mg a week
Poke monday wedneaday Friday rather or Tuesday thursday and Saturday

Lex wrote: I see oupas point 450mg for his size is a waste..his body won't need that dose... Ja bro 100mg 3X a week is fine so 300mg a week
Poke monday wedneaday Friday rather or Tuesday thursday and Saturday

How is that any different to Sun, Wed, Fri?

Mon - Wed - Fri = 1, 1, 2
Tue - Thur - Sat = 1, 1, 2


Wed - Fri- Sun = 1, 1, 2

(number of days between jabs)

Furk wrote:

Oupa wrote: @ 78kg 450mg prop for cutting is to way to much.

Please elaborate. This is relevant to my interests...

Next cycle do this and see the difference for yourself. Afterwards we can get technical.

Lex wrote: I see oupas point 450mg for his size is a waste..his body won't need that dose... Ja bro 100mg 3X a week is fine so 300mg a week
Poke monday wedneaday Friday rather or Tuesday thursday and Saturday

300mg is good to go. Mon Wed Fri @ 100mg per shot.

Oupa wrote:

Lex wrote: I see oupas point 450mg for his size is a waste..his body won't need that dose... Ja bro 100mg 3X a week is fine so 300mg a week
Poke monday wedneaday Friday rather or Tuesday thursday and Saturday

300mg is good to go. Mon Wed Fri @ 100mg per shot.

Now I'm excited, it's so close!

Thanks Oupa, will be updating this thread as my cycle progesses

I said monday Wednesday Friday because it sounds more convenient not for any other reason schmidt

Lex wrote: I said monday Wednesday Friday because it sounds more convenient not for any other reason schmidt

No stress, I thought maybe I'd missed something, or you'd missed something :lol:

I'm going to do Sun, Tue, Thurs so that I can start this weekend and so that at least one of my pins can be a chilled weekend jab after Sunday cardio.

Oupa wrote:
Next cycle do this and see the difference for yourself. Afterwards we can get technical.

On TRT, I can adjust dosage anytime (within levels of responsibility off course).

Started my cycle this morning as planned. Decided to pin delts in case of PIP as today is leg day. Delts really aren't my favourite, and as before with other cycles I had a lot of twitching in my left delt and quite a bit of oil came oozing out
When I do delts again I'll try a different spot on the left side.

Tuesday I'll pin I'm my quads. I'm splitting the pin as I expected some bad PIP from the prop, but have zero in the delts so far. I'm using Ciccone prop, so I'm hoping its decent and not judging the potency on the lack of PIP.

Also started the tbol this morning and had already started the proviron on Tuesday

Been a bit more sweaty than usual today, especially after my morning fasted cardio and yard training at 8am. Will updated again on Tuesday evening after my 2nd pin.

I'd love to post some progress pics but I'm tattooed and quite active on social media so it's a bit risky that I'll be recognized...

Hey bro, maybe I'm under a rock here, but can I ask what yard training is?

Also, if it'll make you feel more confident you can download GIMP (freeware photo editing software) and blur what you want obscured.

Cheers

Furk wrote: Hey bro, maybe I'm under a rock here, but can I ask what yard training is?

Also, if it'll make you feel more confident you can download GIMP (freeware photo editing software) and blur what you want obscured.

Cheers

Shot bro, I'm well versed in GIMP and PS, but placement of the tatts would still be fairly easy to figure out.

I just refer to the outside training I do at the new VA in my area as "yard" training, like outside in the yard. There's a big patch of astro turf with battle ropes, pull up bars, parallel bars etc, like most of the new or renovated VAs have, but this is outside in the sun. During the week I do regular cardio inside on the stepper and treadmill, and then Saturday and Sundays I go to this particular VA and do my cardio outside. Bit of fresh air and some sun on my skin

Schmidt,

Oh ja, they call it the Grid. Pretty much VA's effort to please the crossfit and tabata crowd - not anything wrong with that, they're actually stepping up their game. I'm actually pretty keen to do sleds and step sprints but we don't have that (I frequent many VAs nationwide and haven't seen any).

Anyway, perfectly understand your reasoning. Although I guess the anonymity here is more aimed at protection from law enforcement.

Following, wish you sweet cuts and leanz bro.

Ja look, I'm as against crossfit as the next guy that actually lifts, but I see a lot of the IFBB physique pros and guys like Devin Physique do some pretty cool things with ropes and sleds etc, so I thought why not give it a try. I've been doing a lot of sprint work while dragging those Rocket Bags, as well as work with the ropes, skipping, push-ups, pull-ups etc in circuits to get my cardio done. If you get a chance it's quite cool to do it outside and sweat your balls off haha.

Shot for the encouragement, will be making regular posts to log my progress.

Hey Schmidt, if you continue to have trouble with oozing, try using the z-track injection method (haven't tried it on delts)



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