Scrutineering and advise needed please

Hi guys

I have been reading quite a lot on this forum but today is my first ever post here. Apologies for the long post, want to get everything out there.

First my stats then:
Age: 38
Height: 1.81
Weight: 85kg
Bodyfat: 18%

Training History:
Been on and off weight training basically since 18 yrs old. Started taking it a little more serious 5 years ago and been experimenting with different cycles with help from different sources(with no PCT's in the beginning :ohmy: ). Only realized the importance of PCT later on. Registered myself with an IFBB pro online last year and only then started seeing great results. Became too expensive and decided to fly solo. My start out weight 5 years ago was 68kg. I am a hard gainer. My body WANTS to be thin and fat if you know what I mean haha. Reason for the current high BF% is because I just got back from a 6 month rest(yeah I know it was only supposed to be 2 months)

Cycle history:
Been on quite a lot of cycles including bulking and cutting. The cutting seems to work better for me as I tend to look like the Michelin man with moon face and all with bulking. I love the size, I get though, but I feel bloated too. Water retention is a lot with bulking, but then I would also have to mention my diets weren't spot on.

My Goal:
Build lean quality muscle and drive BF% way down. Never seen my abs so that would be nice Want to get the whole fitness physique going. Would like to perhaps get to 90KG's with around 8% BF

Current Cycle:
Tren Ace 100 1ml and Test Prop 100 1m EOD for 12 weeks
Clen 40mcg daily(starting 15ml ketotifen daily on week 4)
I am now in week 3 of the above-mentioned cycle and been seeing some good gains. 2.5KG lean muscle to be exact. Skin is also getting a little thinner.

Previous PCT(4week)
1 nolvadex a day for 4 weeks
5000iu pregnyl every 4 days x 3 for the last 2 weeks
2 proviron every 12 hours.

Current eating plan:
80gr oats 7 egg whites
200gr sweet potato 200gr chicken
3 bananas 40gr whey
1 cup basmati rice 200gr chicken
Training
200gr sweet potato 300gr steak

Post WO Supplementation:
Whey
Creatine
L-Glutamine
Beta alinine
BCAA

Questions I have:
First of all, what do you think of my current cycle and eating plan for the goals I want to achieve?
Currently taking clen in the morning on an empty stomach. Is this okay?
Can I introduce T3 or should I up the dosage of the clen?
Should I start introducing fasted cardio? Just don't want to eat into the hard earned lean muscle
Is it advisable to up the test prop dosage to 2ml EOD and is it necessary?
Then the last dreaded question. What PCT would you recommend for this cycle? Please see previous PCT above. Not sure if that would be sufficient for this cycle?

Thanks for reading this book, but I believe the more information the better the advice

Cheers

Jaykz1 wrote: Hi guys
Questions I have:
First of all, what do you think of my current cycle and eating plan for the goals I want to achieve?
Currently taking clen in the morning on an empty stomach. Is this okay?
Can I introduce T3 or should I up the dosage of the clen?
Should I start introducing fasted cardio? Just don't want to eat into the hard earned lean muscle
Is it advisable to up the test prop dosage to 2ml EOD and is it necessary?
Then the last dreaded question. What PCT would you recommend for this cycle? Please see previous PCT above. Not sure if that would be sufficient for this cycle?
Cheers

1. Cycle looks delicious, and probably well suited for your goals. I assume you're not a first time Tren user.
2. Clen on empty stomach is perfect. Pills or solution makes no difference. I find the liquid kicks in faster and harder. (I am a stim-junkie so I take note of these things lol)
3. T3 can be used in conjunction with Clen, but I would say first reach the higher ends of the safe Clen dosing range, 120. Also just in case you aren't aware, T3 needs to be tapered gradually up and down. You need to factor this in cause if you end T3 abruptly yo're thyroid is going to have a hard time.
4. Fasted cardio won't catabolise muscle (the way most people do it). So get rid of that idea. What type of cardio do you have in mind? High intensity prolonged cardio can impact, and if you don't get in high quality protein a couple hours after the session.
5. 2ml does not tell us how many milligrams of Test that is.
6. Not going to touch this with flag-pole. I'll let an experienced Tren users reply.

Bud personally I think your body fat is way to high for tren some might say it's a lil high for anabolics itself... 12 weeks of short esters are a lil sore but maybe u find it manageable...as furk said Clen and t3 can be take together and have great synergy affect but rather up ur dose of Clen for now.. Tren does supress thyroids so I think u should add in the t3 once u know u at ur highest Clen dose u can handle.
Pct 3 would be fine. Cardio is fine it will not "eat away muscle " lol drink bccas during cardio..
Besides that diet looks good maybe add in something over night like a casein shake or something ur choice there

You should really take some hcg on the cycle and have an AI on hand bro.

But my personal opinion is that u shouldn't have jumped straight into tren at 18% bf..

Thanks for the replies guys. I am now finishing off week 4 and really starting to see some good gains. Skin is also starting to thin out nicely.

So, like you have suggested I am going to hang back on the T3 for now. I have upped the clen dosage from this week to see how my body responds. I have ditched the fasted cardio(45 mins incline walk) from last week and I like what I see.

The test is 100mg EOD. Would it make a significant difference upping that to 200mg EOD stil with 100mg EOD tren? Costs will obviously double :lol:

Lex, I think I will add some 3am casein and I am already taking some BCAA's before and during workout (as well as during low intensity cardio. With the current diet not getting past 86kg's but that also said that I am dropping fat and building some nice lean muscle. As for your suggestion regarding AI, I will definitely look into it.

Cheerio and will check in again in a week or so

Ja upping your dose does make a difference hey 200mg of test prop and 150mg of tren eod works well for me but 200mg of test prop is a good spot or even 150mg