TRT help

BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 08:25 #190420 by BullD9

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Hi guys, i had someone told me i should consider TRT to assist with fat loss. I heard that i have estrogen based fat patterns.

Need some help with TRT. I just have a few questions regarding the TRT.
Thinking of doing Test Enanthate

What should the duration be?
Dosage? (I hear it should be between 100mg and 200mg)
Other compounds such as Anavar or Tbol?
Arimidex 0.25mg eod or ed?
Is HCG necessary on cycle for TRT?
Is PCT necessary for TRT?

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Hormonas
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17 Sep 2015 08:28 #190422 by Hormonas

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Were you recommended to do actual TRT or a TRT dosed cycle?

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 08:32 #190424 by BullD9

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A TRT Dosed cycle. Or thats the why i understood. It was actualy in one of my other threads called ---First cycle in 4 Years. Any advice would be appreciated

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Hormonas
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17 Sep 2015 08:38 #190426 by Hormonas

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I'm not going to look for the post in the thread so if you're correct about the TRT dosed cycle then you can do it for 10-12 weeks, 200-250mg per week, anavar/tbol can be added if it fits your goals, 0.25 Ed is probably best if you're at a higher bodyfat, hcg from week 3 is advised, pct is vital after the cycle.

Note - it's not TRT if it's a cycle, TRT is a life-long therapy.

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lobo
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17 Sep 2015 08:42 #190427 by lobo

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I could understand someone doing that between cycles or if they actually had low lest but to do a test alone trt dose cycle doesn't make sense to me. Maybe hormonas can give us a better understanding on this?

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 08:58 #190429 by BullD9

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Hormonas wrote: I'm not going to look for the post in the thread so if you're correct about the TRT dosed cycle then you can do it for 10-12 weeks, 200-250mg per week, anavar/tbol can be added if it fits your goals, 0.25 Ed is probably best if you're at a higher bodyfat, hcg from week 3 is advised, pct is vital after the cycle.

Note - it's not TRT if it's a cycle, TRT is a life-long therapy.

Okay, thanks for the great reply. Is it even necessary to do a TRT Dosed cycle? Wouldn't a 500mg test E for 12 weeks with the hcg, arimidex and maybe the anavar yield the same results except for more gains? maybe just up the arimidex dosage.(With a propper diet, motivation and intense training ofcourse) It would make a bit more sense to me?

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Hormonas
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17 Sep 2015 09:33 #190430 by Hormonas

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I'm going to wait for the person who suggested the dosages to give his reasoning - I'm not sure who it was?

A normal male produces around 70mg of Test per week so anything more than that would give the benifits of a higher testosterone level. That said, sometimes a low dose just doesn't provide the results to justify the toll that it takes on your body (shutdown or even injection pain etc).

I would personally look in the range of 350-500mg Test per week in the cycle that you just suggested but as I said, I don't know the reasoning behind the suggested TRT dosage.

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 09:54 #190432 by BullD9

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He said that i have estrogen based fat patterns and that this type of dosage could help along with a proper diet etc. Don't think i should name him, but cant see how that dose is recommended above a 350-500mg dosage.

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 10:03 #190433 by SteveC

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www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...-in-4-years?start=25

There u go hormonas. See my reasoning in there.

Look 500mg of test c can aromatise quite alot,and when u are close to 25% body fat which is your case bulld9 u wanna use as little aromatising gear as possible. Even with ais like adex or aromasin u can still have estrogen issues. I know a guy who on 450mg prop and 2mg of pharma adex had e2 levels of 216. That caused even more fat gain for him. So estrogen and fat are best friends. Choice is yours. I am not a doctor just gave an opinion of something i would do in your case.

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 10:04 #190434 by SteveC

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And also I didn't suggest it,I said if you have to stay on, thats what i would do. Didnt say go on to trt. For u best bet would be to diet down on 0 test. But like i said if u had to stay on.

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 10:07 #190435 by BullD9

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Wouldn't arimidex help with the estrogen even if u up the dose a bit? Sounds like it could be SAFER at a lower test dose like SteveC said?

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 10:09 - 17 Sep 2015 10:24 #190436 by BullD9

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SteveC wrote: And also I didn't suggest it,I said if you have to stay on, thats what i would do. Didnt say go on to trt. For u best bet would be to diet down on 0 test. But like i said if u had to stay on.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. With my first post i should have said that it is what you would have done if you had to stay on.

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 11:35 #190440 by SteveC

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Running adex on its own isn't the best idea, maybe aromasin at 20mg eod might be better as there is no estrogen bounce back when coming off. But also be aware that low estrogen levels have side effects too such as low libido, lower immune system, shitty cholesteol levels, and joint troubles toom

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 12:05 - 17 Sep 2015 12:11 #190441 by BullD9

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So the better choice may be aromasin given the side effects.
Cant i just raise the Arimidex's dosage to 0.5mg instead of 0.25mg?

So it would look something like this.

Week 1-12
Test Enanthate 150mg pw

Week 1-14
Aromasin 20mg eod

Week 3-14
HCG 250-500IU PW

Dont know if the anavar or tbol is a good idea
Week 9-14 or 1-6
Anavar(60mg) or Tbol(40-60mg) ed

PCT week 15-18
Clomid 100,50,50,50
Nolva 40,20,20,20

Would that be a good picture?

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 12:17 #190442 by SteveC

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Much better option yes,run the var at about 40mg daily last 5 weeks. Run clen and yohimbine during your cycle and maybe t3 at no more than 50mcg daily for the t3. Get that body fat as low as possible before u get on a cycle.

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 12:23 #190443 by SteveC

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Also start your dosage at 0.25 adex first then see where e2 levels are at when u go for bloods.

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 12:25 #190444 by BullD9

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Was thinking of adding hyperburn or F@ck of Fat?

Hyperburn 330mg per cap
Its Ephedrine HCL 30mg, Caffiene Anhydrous 200mg, White Willow Bark 100mg, Chromium Picolanate 100mcg, Vit B6 2mcg, Vit B12 6mcg.

F@ck of Fat 600mg per cap
Caffeine, Green Tea Extract, Gaurana, L-Tyrosine, Yohimbe Bark Extract, Vit B3 & B6

Or should i maybe just go with the clen yohimbine and t3?

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 12:32 #190445 by SteveC

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Clen and yohimbine and fof run the clen and yoh together, then run fof. Run in a 2 week on clen and yoh and 2 weeks on fof, u can run t3 with both at the same time. Pyro has a good thread about clenbuterol. Have a read in there.

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 12:49 #190447 by BullD9

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so its my "cycle" above with T3 straight through with clen and FOF 2 weeks on 2 weeks of protocol?

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 14:36 #190454 by BullD9

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just for CURIOSITY, What would the outcome be for someone similar to me with the same cycle but higher dosages and with the addition of lets say tren ace or enanthate for the purpose of cutting?

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SteveC
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17 Sep 2015 15:23 #190456 by SteveC

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Just because it says cutting that doesnt translate into miracle.

I have seen guys dieting for shows using 200mg of tren eod and still having to 2 hours of cardio a day.

By saying this u have just gone from crawling wanting to beat usain bolt in 100m sprint. Thats the equivalent of going from 150mg of test to using tren.

U honestly shouldnt be considering a heavy cycle untill your body weight is closer to 75-78kgs. Thats how much fat you have to loose. And thats the brutal truth.

Right now your body is used to using calories to store as fat not as muscle. That combined with a potential progesterone issue with a 19nor substance such as tren is potentially a hormonal shit storm.

Rather learn to crawl first,then walk, then run,then maybe sprint,then try take on oscar,then maybe usain bolt.

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BullD9
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17 Sep 2015 15:27 #190458 by BullD9

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Yes trust me i do not want to do tren. scared shitless for that compound. I said it is for curiosity. just wondering if it would make estrogen levels even higher than when using something like test alone.

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18 Sep 2015 08:36 #190473 by p1et

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Gear for weight loss. Seems extreme.

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