experimental cycle no 2

Good Day Gents

I want to post a cycle idea just to see what people's feedback is on this type of cycling and if maybe it has it's place somewhere in the bodybuilding world.
please keep in mind that this is just a fictional cycle and is there for education and entertainment purposes only:)
so here it goes....

weeks 1-15>525 mg test blend pinned m/w/f
weeks 1-5>350mg masteron prop pinned m/w/f
weeks 6-12>300mg npp pinned m/w/f
weeks 13-17>350mg masteron prop m/w/f
weeks 15-20>75 mg anavar/day
weeks 6-12/weeks 18-20>50mg proviron/day

bridge :
weeks 16/17:350mg test prop
obviously anavar and masteron all form part of the bridge period.

>all doses are per week unless stated otherwise

ancillaries and ai's:
week 6-14>caber at 0.5 e5d
arimdex on hand incase gyno symptoms appear.

PCT :
weeks 21/22 :clomid at 50mgs/day
weeks 23-27>nova at 20mgs/day and aromasin at 25/day

the first part of the cycle will consist of cutting up for 5 weeks...calories will be below maintenance.
the second part of the cycle will be bulking for 6 weeks....calories over maintenance .
the last part of the cycle ...well I'm not sure to be honest lol just think hardening up and solidifying gains I suppose.
this cycle is not intended for big gains but more for a aesthetic look.

let me know what you guys think.
Regards
G-man

For an aesthetic look run some Test and Primo and 6 weeks var at the end or switch the primo for mast. This is complicated for a 2nd cycle. The caber and npp etc is just running your costs up for nothing. Just an IMO bro.

thanks for the feedback,filet....I'm just playing around with ideas ...
ive always wanted to do primo but the price tag is hefty and also risky because primo is faked quite often.
the idea for the cycle comes from the fact that I wanted to run a cutting cycle at the beginning of the year but my cholesterol levels were a bit on the high side so I had to get that down first ,now it's so late already in the year so I'm trying to do divide the cycle into two parts .
ooops and sorry my bad...it's not a second cycle but a 3rd one...it's just my second experimental cycle idea is what I meant...

Hey G, interesting concept. Why test blend instead of prop for cutting purposes? Otherwise agree with Fillet's opinion about NNP etc.

If anything does happen to this idea, I'd be keen to follow. Ciao

furk that's a very good question....test prop would've probably been a better option but I already have the blend so I might as well use it and also I suppose then I have more time between my bridge and my cycle to add on some other things....so my cycle would be a little longer and I can I can cut first then bulk second and lean out towards the end again.

Based on the duration of the cycle, and the long esters in the Test blend, you could also run Equipoise to good effect.

Maybe an oral kickstart?
Tbol or Sdrol??

Cutting/ Leaning / Bulking has a lot to do with diet bro and not using such a huge array of juice.

Oupiel wrote: Based on the duration of the cycle, and the long esters in the Test blend, you could also run Equipoise to good effect.

Maybe an oral kickstart?
Tbol or Sdrol??

yes bud I was considering eq but I use to have anxiety issues and from what I've read from others people's experiences eq can aggravate it...and i try to stay clear from orals as much as possible ,they make me feel like 'dog-shit' lol

FIllet wrote: Cutting/ Leaning / Bulking has a lot to do with diet bro and not using such a huge array of juice.

absolutely fillet...my cals will be in-check and I just feel it's time to add some other things to enhance my cycle...in theory it's just 3 types of juice that I'm throwing in ...test as my base and masteron and npp...

thanks for all the feedback so far guys...as I said it's just an experimental cycle...everybody always just does the standard type of cycles...I just felt like I wanted to try it from a different angle and see what happens....
my biggest concern with this cycle is that my hormones might be all over the place considering I'm switching between masteron and npp and also my other concern is how my recovery will be like....
I forgot to mention that I will add hcg from week 5 until PCT...

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Eq might not have a bad effect on you.

I like Eq from the pov of managing only 1 set of sides i.e. Estrogen.

Mr Nandrolone comes with his own set of issues, so I now I just avoid it.

Oupiel wrote: Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Eq might not have a bad effect on you.

I like Eq from the pov of managing only 1 set of sides i.e. Estrogen.

Mr Nandrolone comes with his own set of issues, so I now I just avoid it.

yeh so true...that's why I want to keep time on npp as short as possible ,so just 6 weeks on would be a good way of experimenting with it...and also I will be taking the caber so hoping that and my ai will be enough to combat any related sides...

I'm also curious if one can take caber during PCT...just to increase general mood etc...as I understand caber is a dopamine agonist and I suppose will also help with libido etc

FIllet wrote: Cutting/ Leaning / Bulking has a lot to do with diet bro and not using such a huge array of juice.

True, but we can help out with diet. Adding gear to a cut gives you the ease of mind knowing your testosterone levels are safe, uber low calories screws up hormones and muscle loss (I'm an expert in this department)

All my *educated*opinion. Considering the strict time frame : Maybe for 1st phase uber high protein, low carb, low-mod fat, well below maintenance. If you have the spare time for morning fasted cardio sure, otherwise for some folks it increases total daily hunger. Train 2/3-day split EOD with cardio days in between. HIIT plus low carb will work but you'll feel crap if your not LCHF or keto adapted. Ephedrine helps for hunger.

Second phase up the carbs, reduce the fat. Change training to bro-split, hit the gym as much as your CNS can handle and as soon as muscle recovers.

Good to see this thread keeping momentum. What's your stats G? I remember you being in good shape.

G-man wrote: I'm also curious if one can take caber during PCT...just to increase general mood etc...as I understand caber is a dopamine agonist and I suppose will also help with libido etc

You can take cabaser during PCT. It can help libido but doesn't for everybody. As far as non-steroid supplements go MT2 (melanotan) gives me the best libido boost. Crazy wood.

Uninvited annoying wood if you ask me lol

Muscleaddict wrote:

G-man wrote: I'm also curious if one can take caber during PCT...just to increase general mood etc...as I understand caber is a dopamine agonist and I suppose will also help with libido etc

You can take cabaser during PCT. It can help libido but doesn't for everybody. As far as non-steroid supplements go MT2 (melanotan) gives me the best libido boost. Crazy wood.

Learn something new everyday, shot Ma.... Cabaser gives me bad or good wood into pct but comes with a serious personality change. No control, or, very little.

It's not going to aid or hurt your recovery. I don't experience anything beneficial enough to justify continuing it's use through PCT personally. If it does help your sexual performance then great, but don't overdo it.

Hey g-man.

I like the concept of this cycle but personally feel there is little anabolic properites to the mast and test only. For the first 6 weeks as part of the cutting. If you were to run the npp and the mast with the test from the start of the cycle with slightly bellow maintaince calories and then bump them up to maintaince, i think your would have a better result then just doing that with mast alone.

Also your dose of anavar is quite high, i know guys of 110kgs that only take 50mg of var. Also with running all the masteron i think that the proviron is going to be a bit of a waste.

You would be better off with running 175mg test 100mg mast p and 100mg npp 3x a week for 15 weeks then going on to your prop and anavar and proviron to end the cycle for the bridge. I would use 0.5mg adex eod to daily on cycle even before gyno signs appear to be honest. Always keep estrogen in check. If you are wanting to cut near the end of the cycle throw in some clen and yohimbine.that will help aswell.

I can be grumpy mood wise, but from my experience equi has had very little effect on my mood. DECA was a total different story!

Furk wrote:

FIllet wrote: Cutting/ Leaning / Bulking has a lot to do with diet bro and not using such a huge array of juice.

True, but we can help out with diet. Adding gear to a cut gives you the ease of mind knowing your testosterone levels are safe, uber low calories screws up hormones and muscle loss (I'm an expert in this department)

All my *educated*opinion. Considering the strict time frame : Maybe for 1st phase uber high protein, low carb, low-mod fat, well below maintenance. If you have the spare time for morning fasted cardio sure, otherwise for some folks it increases total daily hunger. Train 2/3-day split EOD with cardio days in between. HIIT plus low carb will work but you'll feel crap if your not LCHF or keto adapted. Ephedrine helps for hunger.

Second phase up the carbs, reduce the fat. Change training to bro-split, hit the gym as much as your CNS can handle and as soon as muscle recovers.

Good to see this thread keeping momentum. What's your stats G? I remember you being in good shape.

yo furk:)sorry I couldn't reply sooner and thanks man I totally think you get what I'm trying to accomplish with this cycle and completely understand my mindset with regards to what I want to achieve...
those are awesome ideas and I great way of switching things up a bit....
and yes fasted cardio will definitely be in there and I'll consider HIT as well...
the juice just puts my mind at ease knowing my gains are still relatively safe and I can diet down and get lean and make sure that it's fat that I'm loosing and not muscle...
I think you've completely inspired me...I'm going to give the cycle a go and see what happens hehe

my stats are a little controversial to say the least but I had it checked the other day...
I'm 1.79 and 17% bodyfat.
At the moment my diet is very strict and I'm still trying to lean out a bit...doing at least 3 cardio session of 30mins each...so hopefully by 14 the July I'll be ready to do the cycle:)

Muscleaddict wrote:

G-man wrote: I'm also curious if one can take caber during PCT...just to increase general mood etc...as I understand caber is a dopamine agonist and I suppose will also help with libido etc

You can take cabaser during PCT. It can help libido but doesn't for everybody. As far as non-steroid supplements go MT2 (melanotan) gives me the best libido boost. Crazy wood.

thanks MA,melanotan sounds like a interesting compound....going to do a bit of research on it and see what comes up.
As for caber it doesnt really seem worth it to use it during PCT ...
just stick with usual and always adding aromasin...my last PCT was so much smoother adding it...I really love the stuff...

G-man wrote: my stats are a little controversial to say the least but I had it checked the other day...
I'm 1.79 and 17% bodyfat.
At the moment my diet is very strict and I'm still trying to lean out a bit...doing at least 3 cardio session of 30mins each...so hopefully by 14 the July I'll be ready to do the cycle:)

No problem bro. There is no issue starting to cut now. Just do it conservatively and do it aggressive when your cycle starts.

Almost there in terms of bodyfat percentage. Keep up the good work!
Another month or so and you should be green for go.
Good luck and keep us updated bro.
Nate