First testobolin 325 cycle

Hi guys. Ive been researching alot the past few months and ive been trying to put together a first cycle for myself. Ive read all the stickies etc so Id like to think I know the basics. Im wondering if you could offer some optimising advise on my cycle.

My stats are as follows:

27 years old
85kg at roughly 16%
Been in and out gym for years. Solid routine the last few months.

Diet consists of at least 250-300g protein a day with a caloric intake of roughly 2800cal

Ive read so much contradicting advise on international sites on my quest for knowledge so pls ignore my noob ignorance.

Ive decided to opt for a testobolin 325 blend with a small clen stack during cycle, mainly because its "all I can get my hands on" for now.

Week 1 - 10 1ml weekly (ive read that first cycles yeild excellent results when using smaller quantities so ive opted for 320mg a week)

My only querie is how often to inject? Im struggling to find concrete advise on whats the best inject sched with a blend. Some advise 1 a week. Others 2 because of the shorter chained esters. my question is then should I split the dose into two shots to still keepy dose low.

Clen will be tapered with:
Day 1-4 40mg
Day 5-8 60mg
Day 9-12 80mg
day 13-16 100mg
day 17 - 40 120 (very dependant on sides)

The clen dosage is all very dependant on sides.

My pct will be clomid and nolvadex

Clomid will be day 1-7 50mg x 2
Nolvadex day 8-37 20mg ed

The half life of the longest eater chain is the decanoate so my pct should start 15x3 days after my last injection. Ive read soooo much contridicting info about this. Some say the 3x rule is just a rule of thumb. Some firmly believe 15-18days is a must. Pls offer some clarity on this subject.

I appologise for my long post and thank everyone for taking the time to read. Learning everyday.

What are your goals for the cycle? Example lean mass, fat loss, bulk up, etc.

Im mostly looking just for a slight to moderate cut and to build some lean muscle mass. Not really to bulk up. Im happy with my weight at the moment. Im not really looking for an overall insane body transformation as such, hence why i would like to start out slower. Also looking to avoid nasty sides. Thx very much for the reply.

Split your cycle into two parts: Start with a lean bulk and excess calories, with no Clen. Later during your bridge you add the Clen and drop calories far below maintenance with very intense workouts.

The rule of 3x half-life of the longest ester is when you use 500mg of that ester. When you use less the waiting time obviously decreases. Bud I would rather try and find a proper gear supplier. It is the worst thing in the world to invest so much of yourself into a cycle only to see it is underdosed or faked, not to mention the money.

Thx for the info. OK so heres what im thinking then. Upping the dosage to 500mg test blend weekly

Week 1 - 6 is 500mg (1.5ml once a week inject)
week 7 325mg (last 1ml left)

The blend has 100mg deca / 1ml ; 150mg deca weekly

PCT will start 15 days after last inject.

PCT will be what i listed before.

Clen cycle will start 4 weeks after PCT has run its course.

Bit better?

No Bro

Read the PCT stickie...
What is the longest ester in that test blend? For example a sustanon cycle would warrant 54 days waiting period before you start PCT.
So immediately I assume your timing is off there...

Next thing, Pyro meant running the clen during the bridge period, this is the time leading up to PCT. We often use a shorter ester during this period. Normally and oral but 7 weeks on an oral is less than ideal so you would have to look at prop. It is during this period that Pyro meant for you to use the clen.
During and post PCT you need to keep your calories up to avoid losing your new gains.

Have you already purchased this blend? If not I recommend that you opt rather for either test Enanthate or Cypionate. Follow the beginners bulk cycle which you can find in the articles section and add Anavar as a bridge. Run the clen while you use the Var. That will be a four week bridge to PCT.

Look into using HCG during your cycle.

Remember that diet will dictate what you achieve in your cycle... If you do not want to use the dianabol as a kickstart look at tbol.

Read the stickies and articles over and over again and if you have more questions shoot Bro. But yeah I'm definitely against the blends as a first cycle to the point that I'd say ask your dealer to exchange it for you rather.

I missed that "all you can get your hands on"

In which case my answer is simple... Wait till you can get the correct compounds from a reputable source and known as well as trusted lab...

Networking brother :lol:

haha ok thx bud. See thats what im misunderstanding.

the 3x rule is for using +-500mg of a certain ester. So when using only one its easy to work out how long to wait for pct. whats throwing me off is because it IS a blend. And the blend only has 100mg of deca which is the longest ester. But it will still be 500mg a week. So whats confusing me is do i adjust my time leading towards my PCT DOWN, because im using far less than 500mg of the deca ester, or still use 3x rule because the overall test is 500mg. lol.

Also is it really not worth running anything less than 500mg/week? is 1 inject really THAT low that its pointless?

Anyways yes i think i need to network a little bit but as it stands, thats all i can get at the moment. while im in no rush to start, the reality i have to face is that it may very well be my first so im just trying to do it right and understand it all.

If it does pan out this way, and i finally work out the time for my PCT, my clen cycle may very well fall in congruence with my PCT. will this have any adverse affects?

Thx for the replies guys keep em coming

Bud in my opinion you would wait out the 3xhalf life of the Decanoate ester.

Listen you are going to experience some crappy sides, blends are for much more experienced users who pin a LOT more, you see if you pin once a week your blood levels are going to constantly be fluctuating. This will lead to sides.

I do however think you're pretty bent on running it so I will advise you to pin at least twice a week, 3 times would be better. I'd run a minimum of 500 to be honest, that's a sweet spot.

Bro clen during PCT is going to make ypu lose your gains, your body is striving for homeostasis and by pulling it in two different directions is not going to help your cause.

I'm also under the impression that you're quite keen to get lean. Now without seeing pictures of you I'm unsure of your Bodyfat. Now I don't mean to be harsh but perhaps you will he better off dieting down naturally to between 10 and 12%, and then running your cycle (have this measured professionally) as this is the optimal % to run a cycle and your body will be primed to pack on some nice lean gains.

Plus you could use the time that you take to diet down to find decent gear...

My good buddy DK did this and now is a lean machine with some PGW Enanthate... Read through his thread... Donkiekongs (it's on) thread.

That would be a responsible approach

awesome. Thx so much for the advise. Everything considered i think my first plan of action is to diet down to 12% or less. i agree with that, dont want to add any unnecessary strain to my body. Yes i would prefer to be leaner rather than bulkier, the end effect. Second is to try and source a test cyp.

So taking your previous advice into consideration, would this be a usable first cycle in theory. (while i try to source a non blend test)

week 1 - 4 dbol 30mg a day [is the dbol reeeeeeally necessary on a first cycle?]
week 1 - 8 400mg test blend (being 0.625ml pinned twice weekly - this being theoretical if i only have 1x10ml vial of blend)

[like, will slightly less test blend be more benificial to monitor sides because it is a blend? but obviously not too low that its pointless]

Eating excess calories

Starting clen a week after last inject during bridge. eating caloric deficit

PCT is what i stated before. PCT starting 54 days after last inj. eating excess calories


A little bit better? Im more theory crafting per se so i am able to plan my own cycles in future. trying to understand it all now.

Thx, gna read his thread. Always keen to read!

It is usable bud...

I'd look at adding either prop, Tbol, winny or var in that bridge period or you may feel depleted as test levels start to decline. I'd drop the dbol. The blend should get to work fast enough and so no real need to kickstart.
The short length of the cycle is not ideal but again the shorter esters in the blend will make it usable.

Would start the clen the day after my last pin and with the caloric deficit. But! I would only do this if I were bridging with another anabolic.

Then a couple days before PCT I would increase my calories to just over maintenance and keep it there throughout PCT and at least 6 weeks post PCT. (maintenance calories in the very lleast, but maintenance at your new weight)

I like your approach to reading and researching it is the only way to learn!
Plus it will help you ask intelligent questions that will be welcomed... So well done there. Read, learn, ask.

Also very glad you came to the decision to diet down first and wait.

Open a thread with your name and use it as a log. Post stats, pictures, training and diet. This way we will be able to advise you better when the time comes for you to run a cycle.

zoahbean wrote: haha ok thx bud. See thats what im misunderstanding.

the 3x rule is for using +-500mg of a certain ester. So when using only one its easy to work out how long to wait for pct. whats throwing me off is because it IS a blend. And the blend only has 100mg of deca which is the longest ester. But it will still be 500mg a week. So whats confusing me is do i adjust my time leading towards my PCT DOWN, because im using far less than 500mg of the deca ester, or still use 3x rule because the overall test is 500mg. lol.

Your logic is correct as the amount is less than 500mg so you will have less waiting time. I would guestimate that for this blend 30 days should be fine, but make it 35 days just to be sure and run an oral during this period to keep you anabolic in case you waited too long.

Also is it really not worth running anything less than 500mg/week? is 1 inject really THAT low that its pointless?

My opinion anything less than 500mg is throwing away gains. You should inject the compound as often as required by the shortest ester, in this test prop. You need to pin test prop EOD for stable blood levels.

Anyways yes i think i need to network a little bit but as it stands, thats all i can get at the moment. while im in no rush to start, the reality i have to face is that it may very well be my first so im just trying to do it right and understand it all.

Why the hurry? You only have one first golden cycle just like you have your virginity only once.

If it does pan out this way, and i finally work out the time for my PCT, my clen cycle may very well fall in congruence with my PCT. will this have any adverse affects?

Plan it so that you run the Clen only during your bridge. If that is 5 weeks and not 6 it is no problem.

Thx for the replies guys keep em coming

Amazing! Thanks so much for all the replies. Back to the drawing board.

If i decide to run an oral during my bridge along with my clen, for example var, is my PCT still consideres adequate? Now that ive added an oral does my cycle fall into a "not so light" cycle, which brings me to my next question.

Should i invest in some HCG? Also i know sides are different from person to person, but keeping arimidex OH for incase? considered a must? Im under the inpression that those measures are only put in place when running heavy test cycles. Thanks guys!!!!

Your cycle wasn't "light" to begin with so HCG was always a necessity. You most certainly should have Letrozole or Arimidex on hand, because your cycle can very well cause estrogen related side-effects.

Pyro, please explain to me why less than 500mg of the longest ester doesn't require you to wait 3x the half-life before commencing PCT, I don't get that at all and I've never heard Doc or anyone reputable in my circles talk about that. It is better to wait longer before starting PCT than to start it too soon anyway.

admin wrote: Pyro, please explain to me why less than 500mg of the longest ester doesn't require you to wait 3x the half-life before commencing PCT, I don't get that at all and I've never heard Doc or anyone reputable in my circles talk about that. It is better to wait longer before starting PCT than to start it too soon anyway.

Sure thing brother. The theory behind waiting a certain period of time for the test to clear is that you will not recover properly if there are supra-physiological test levels in your system. Once your test levels drop to those of a normal human being you can start PCT. The rule of thumb is to wait until the theoretical amount of test in your system drops below 100mg.

So let's say we pin 500mg of Test-En once off:
Day 0: 500mg
Day 10: 250mg
Day 20: 125mg
Day 30: 62.5mg (Start PCT)

But if we pin 250mg of Test-En, half of the previous dosage:
Day 0: 250mg
Day 10: 125mg
Day 20: 62.5mg (Start PCT)
Hence you waited one half life less because you injected half the dosage.

When you inject more than once, it is not as linear as above because the important part is your blood plasma levels and not the amount of test sitting in your bum. It is logical to assume that the above example does indeed demonstrate more or less what happens with the blood plasma levels, as pinning half the amount will definately not result in the same blood plasma level. Interesting to note that Chemistry 101 tells us higher concentrations create faster reactions and therefore the test will release slightly faster the larger the amount you pin, therefore the half life will actually decrease compared to the theoretical. So pinning 250mg test could mean a real half life of 10 days, and pinning 750mg might mean 8 or 9 days. But pinning 750mg test means you definately need to wait longer than 3x half life as your blood plasma levels will be much higher than someone pinning 500mg. Another thing that influences the half life is temperature. So someone using Ephedrine or Clenbuterol will have a different half life than a person with a cold fever. This really is just me trying to explain the concept bro I know if Doctari reads this he might say I am missing things (and there is endless literature on this very subject), but again I am just explaining the short hand idea. If you want something more practical, find a PCT calculator and input e.g Supertest 250 vs Test-Cyp 250. The longest ester in both is Cyp, but PCT will start earlier with the ST.

Now THAT was the answer i was looking for. Anybody have a link for a page that can explain more about blood plasma levels and how the concentrations of test affect it? Perhaps a pct calc? Ive googled but eveyone i seem to find it either offline or non functional.