Advice on First Cycle

I'm 25 year old male, at 85 kg in mass. I have been working out since I was 15. I'm fairly well built. However I'm ready to break the barriers. I'm tired of lifting more than most well built guys, but not looking the part. There's a lot of advice out there pertaining to the use of juice. So it really becomes confusing if one has to experience this on their own. I went through the example beginner cycles. Unfortunately it was only after I purchased the following; Dianabol, Anvaar and Novaldex. This is the beginners cycle my source recommended. I really thought I was clued up on the use of steriods thanks to you tube up until I stumbled upon this site. I'm still awaiting instructions as to dosages and how exactly to take them. I figured so long I get experts advice on thier thoughts on the cycle? Good bad? I have not started on the cycle as I discovered I still need to touch base with my research. I'll hold off as long as possible, however the excitement might get the better of me.

Welcome.

Dianabol + Anavar + Nolvadex will make a pretty bad cycle. How many of each do you have, because I recommend you get some Testosterone, Clomid and HCG as well and do this cycle: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

You can add your Anavar as a bridge before PCT. Let us know how many Dianabol, Anavar and Nolvadex you have and what the dosages are for each tablet/capsule.

Welcome bro.
The only advice I have to offer is research research research.
The more you know the better your questions will become and as a result, the better advice you can receive from the pros on here.
Good luck and keep us updated.

Nate

Thanks admin and Nate. I'm still waiting on my order will post the details as soon as I get them. I learn everday...

I managed to go through the sample cycles. I am planning on running the following cycle,
Sustanon 250, Deca 300mg and dianbol. Pct Pregnol 5000iu and clomed.
The previous cycle I posted was not well thought out, but it was all i could get my hands on at that time plus crap advise from in experienced people.
What are your thoughts on the above mentioned cycle? I'm planning to start it on the 5th of Jan. For a guy my age and weight what appropriate dosages would you prescribe? (just getting a second opinion here)
Thanks in advance...

dude,welcome to the forum:)
Honestly your cycle is not very well planned and I'm sure others would agree.
Throwing in Deca in your first cycle is not necessary and try to stick to a single ester like cypionate or enanthate instead of sustanon.
Also we Need your dosages and pinning schedules.Your PCT needs alot of work....check out the pct section in the articles list,very informative and will help you alot.

Im really no expert ,but honestly you want to start your cycle in Jan and your no where near ready.

Before enhancing your body enhance your mind.
Cheers

Morning Bud

While you at it, get the diet and training sorted out now too, plus someone is going to ask how does your diet or daily meals look like.

Thanks guys. I will give it more time. I have the above mentioned in hand however I'm a put it off on hold for now until I get to figure this out properly. I hope my next post will be much more informed and detailed including diet as well Fakey lol. However much appreciated guys.

Good Day
I got a few good pointers not only from my thread but from the forum in general. Despite the advice I went against my better judgement and did it anyway. My dealer is quite huge and well built. So his advice at the time seemed Godly as this is a person I see and interact with regularly. After spending some time on the forum I started to realize its all about the SAFE use. I hope to do better on my 2nd cycle.

I'm three weeks in. Deca 300, Sus 250 and dbol.
Dbol 50mg Everyday (4 weeks)
Deca 600mg weekly(1 ml every third day) (12 weeks)
Sus 500mg weekly (1 ampule every third day) (14 weeks)

Going to go with PCT 2 from the samples

# I know it was not advised for a beginner, the first week was total horror as I suffered from severe headaches.
everything seems to be going well up to so far.

Terrible second cycle it's completely without thought. Drop the Deca and use in your next cycle and keep pinning the Test. Sus must be pinned at best EOD or at least three times a week. The headaches were from the super high DBol dosage- 30mg is plenty. Start HCG during your cycle @250iu a week. At least you have learnt a valuable lesson which is NEVER listen to that big guy at the gym just because he is big.

Its my first cycle not second. So you think I should drop the deca and continue with the Sustenon 250 EOD along side Hcg @ 250iu a week. How long should I run them for? I definitely learned my lesson. Could you please share more light as to why drop the deca?

This is the problem with Sus ampules on a first cycle- if you pin it EOD like you should then you are taking almost double what you should be taking, and if you pin it twice a week your blood levels fluctuate a lot. My advice is to pin it three times a week e.g M/W/F, and on Monday and Wednesday pin early in the day and Friday pin late. Run for 12 weeks. Think of adding an oral during your bridge and make sure your PCT is proper.

There is plenty of info on here as to why not to use Deca on a first cycle.

Thanks! I've decided to take your advice, I'm going to drop the deca this week. Continue with Sus adding hcg@ 250iu weekly. Running them for 12 weeks. Pct I'm going with Pct 2 from the samples.

If you run the HCG during cycle you don't need to run it again during PCT. Very important! Do you have an AI?

Not at hand, however only takes me a day to get whatever I need if anything is to arise. So far so good. I have not experienced any sides since the headaches. My last day on the dbol and Deca tomorrow. Ive gained a considerable amount of mass, weighing in at 95kg. I'll make note to leave it out when I do Pct. You've been very helpful thanks again Pyroclasm.

Pyroclasm wrote: If you run the HCG during cycle you don't need to run it again during PCT. Very important! Do you have an AI?

Hey Pyro,

Sorry to jack the thread here.

I'm running a test Cyp cycle 14 weeks and thought about running HCG with winny in my Bridge. 250iu, 2 x week

Will it be OK to run HCG again with PCT together with the Nolva, 500iu EOD

Naftaly wrote: Not at hand, however only takes me a day to get whatever I need if anything is to arise. You've been very helpful thanks again Pyroclasm.

I speak from lank experience when I tell you this phrase has a way of biting you in the ass. I help gladly man.

Hudlim031 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: If you run the HCG during cycle you don't need to run it again during PCT. Very important! Do you have an AI?

Hey Pyro,

Sorry to jack the thread here.

I'm running a test Cyp cycle 14 weeks and thought about running HCG with winny in my Bridge. 250iu, 2 x week

Will it be OK to run HCG again with PCT together with the Nolva, 500iu EOD

Much better to run the HCG early on in the cycle to prevent hypertophy from the beginning. It can't do damage if you run the HCG during cycle and PCT but its overkill. Only in a very suppressive cycle I would consider something like that. Your dosages for HCG are the most important.

If I were you I'd drop both the sust and decca cuase its your first cycle. Keep the dbols, anavar, nolvadex and get yourself test cyp. I'd run it like this:

Week 1-12 test cyp 500mg(250mg monday and thursday)

Week 1-4 dbols 40mg ed I would split dosage in two and take it twice daily cuase of the short halflife.

Week 13-18 anavar 60mg and proviron 20mg

I'd leave the hcg for the pct and not run it in the cycle. Start pct week 19 two days after last anavar and proviron dose.
For pct run the clomid, nolvadex and hcg. Only start nolvadex and hcg after day 7 when finished with clomid.

Its simple, easy and proved by many to be ons of the best starting cycles.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Hudlim031 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: If you run the HCG during cycle you don't need to run it again during PCT. Very important! Do you have an AI?

Hey Pyro,

Sorry to jack the thread here.

I'm running a test Cyp cycle 14 weeks and thought about running HCG with winny in my Bridge. 250iu, 2 x week

Will it be OK to run HCG again with PCT together with the Nolva, 500iu EOD

Much better to run the HCG early on in the cycle to prevent hypertophy from the beginning. It can't do damage if you run the HCG during cycle and PCT but its overkill. Only in a very suppressive cycle I would consider something like that. Your dosages for HCG are the most important.

Ah I see. Thanks.

Is the 250iu twice a week good for the bridge though?

Yes that's fine hey

Lol I'll make sure I get it on hand. I started with the routine as you advised this morning. We'll see how it goes.

Just a brief update..
Unfortunately I had to cut my cycle short due to certain reasons.
My last pinning(sus250) was on the 27th of Feb. Making it an 8 week cycle in total. I will be starting pct 54 days later which will be on the 22 April. I'v seen a good change in my physique. I was planning to go with pct 2.However would going with pct 1 clomid and novaldex be a bad idea? I know I took deca initially for about 4eeeks. For the next cycle I decided to stick to the beginners cycle as is from the sample cycles. Just perhaps add winny as a bridge. 2nd cycle will start sometime in July if not August. Taking it slow till I actually know what I'm doing. Thanks for your inputs once more!

Re. next cycle - Remember time off = Time on & that both the bridge & PCT count as being on.
8 weeks + 54 days (bridge) + 37 days (PCT) = 147 days or 21 weeks.

So that puts you into October if PCT starts on 22 April.

In that light, short cycles & or Short half-lives are attractive

Oupiel wrote: Re. next cycle - Remember time off = Time on & that both the bridge & PCT count as being on.
8 weeks + 54 days (bridge) + 37 days (PCT) = 147 days or 21 weeks.

So that puts you into October if PCT starts on 22 April.

In that light, short cycles & or Short half-lives are attractive

Thanks for that.. I actually read that on one of your other posts if i'm not mistaken. I did not think Pct was regarded as time on.