Cycle advice

Hello to all!

So, im posting on this forum because i seek advice and wish to pick the brains of the experienced here.

Im planning on starting a cycle shortly after xmas this year.

Not my first cycle, i have used test C and tren E before.

Stats:

age: 23
height: 185cm
weight: 93kg
BF: +- 14%

been gyming on and off since 15, but since 18 iv been at the gym 4-6 days a week, luckily have not had any injuries or illnesses that have put me out of action. So please dont worry that im some fool that just started gyming and wants to hit the juice

i havnt tried Deca yet, so i was thinking of running something along the lines of:

wk 1-16 super test (pgw) 3ml p/w
wk 1-14 deca (pgw) 1.5-2ml p/w
wk 1-14 equi (pgw) 1.5-2ml p/w
wk 1-3/4 anaps @ 50-100mg ed (LP)

adex @ 0.2mg ed from start to?
cabasser 0.5mg e5d from start to? (iv read 1 or 2 weeks after deca?)

then running maybe prop,win,proviron from wk 16 to pct? (dosage advice here? :side: )

as for pct im thinking:

day 1-7 clomid 100mg ed (LP)
8-38 nolva and aromasin @ 20mg each ed (LP)

Im unsure about HCG tho, do i run it during cycle? both during and pct? is there a difference between hcg and ovidrel because i dont think i can get my hands on ovidrel.

Im sure i havnt layed this out perfectly so please forgive my first time post.

There is a few questions in my post so please any and all info/advice will be appreciated.

Let me know if iv left anything out! :dry:

Absolute overkill of a cycle..

Almost 3 grams of juice a week.?

You will grow like a weed off half that dose and drop the deca the naps in my opinion,

A decent supertest and equi cycle for 15 weeks will be a banger as it is.

Keep adex for when sides arise, or else thats just far more.strain for nothing.

Winny/pro Bridge 40mg of each at your stats is perfect

Run hcg on cycle up until pct, and dont worry about ovidrel, hcg is perfect.

You left out the main factor in determining your growth, diet??

Hey PP, thanks for the input.

I'm really keen on trying deca, wat if I ran the super test with deca and no equi?

Diet is usualy as such:

Meal1: 2 whole egg
5 egg white
+- 75-100g oats

Meal2: 200g of either chicken/steak
Half a avo

Meal 3: 200g of either chicken/steak
With cucumber and broccoli

Meal4: preworkout meal
1.5tin tuna
75-100g oats with raisins and banana

Meal5: post shake of whey and maltodextrin

Meal6: same as meal 2

Meal7: whey protein and almonds

Feel free to critique as harshly as u wish
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Hay gymrat

One question , are you eating to grow or are you eating to lean out because your diet does not have the grouth facto you have almost no carbs

Hey donkiekong Shot for the response!

Iv been eating like this cos Iv been on the fat blasting mission, iv dropped about 4kg. And yes I agree there isn't much to aid in growth with this diet but I'll surely correct this before I start the cycle in late December, with advice from people such as yourself Ofcourse:)

At the moment I have 4 meals with carbs before my workout , I tried the high Fat high protein diet and in the beginnig you love weight fast but what I discovered is that you los water weight fast and not actually fat , I also felt as if I had no energy at all felt very weak and flat , my muscle also was very depleted and flat so I started timing my carbs a bit and started playing around with my diet and I find that if you time your carbs correctly you feel fuller and have energy to still bust your balls in the workout

I have also tried cardio before workout and after workout and at the moment what works vor me is 20min cardio before my workout and 20min cardio after my workout and that burns a shit load of calories

But ja that's just how I do and experiment what works for my body and what not

But when adding carbs to a caloric defecate diet you lose fat percentage in stead of just a quick drop in weight from the water you los , you los fat slower with carbs in you diet but its a marathon not a 100m sprint

Is there a way to insert an image into the forum? I have a screenshot of my cycle that i wanted to upload.

Thanks DK,

A good read that was, and I must say I tend to agree with you, I'm definately going to add carbs because I too lack energy and wow I get moody!

Im also in the process of figuring out what works for me cardio wise, iv been trying the early morning fasted route which I think is good but I must admit that more often than not I do not wanna get out of bed for it!!!!

I think I'll try it as your doing it, a bit before and after your workout. Would u take ur post workout shake after ur cardio or as soon as u get off the weights?

Also, what's your view on super test and deca? I'm very keen to see what deca and anaps does for me.

Also, iv never had my BF tested properly so I'm unsure but if some1 tells me how to post a pic I'll show wat I look like at the moment. Id like to turn this into a cycle log when I start

I take my shake after my workout , but if your diet is 100% shake and stuff is only a supplement so it only supplements your diet and not a must have

Personally I would rather advice you to do test E and deca , anaps is very strong and liver toxic mg for mg dbols are much stronger than naps why not rather frontload with dbol??

Go to the general section , there is a sitcky that will explain to you how to post a pic

I didn't know dbol was stronger than naps? What reason do u have for suggesting Test E instead? I haven't tried a test blend yet so that's why I'm wanting to.

I'd split the super test up 3 shots per week and the deca twice a week

Anapolan is 'stronger' than dbol. It's also high risk and you will experience the sides. How was your test and tren cycle run? What dosages, and what sort of gains?

What do you plan for PCT?
Ancillaries for this cycle?

For pct I'm thinking:

First 7 days 100mg clomid
Next 30 days 20mg each of nolva and aromasin

Cabasser 0.5mg e5d sound ok?
Should I use Adex from start?

I'm thinking I should run hcg during cycle, how far in would I start it? And do I stop when I get to pct or carry on with the hcg thru pct too?

Test c I ran:
1-6 500mg
6-12 750mg
Tren e:
1-6 300mg
6-12 450mg

Only sides I had was night sweats, I jumped a total of 13kg and kept about 7 ( I started slacking in my diet)

Why so keen on DECA?

Can you post your proposed diet?

Run 50mg of clomid for 14 days, then 20mg of aromasin and tamoxifen.

Have the adex on hand and use if symptoms display. Alternatively you can run it throughout at .25 mg EOD, or even E3D. Depends on how you react?

Good idea to run HCG during the cycle, 500iu per week. Split it Mondays and Thursdays.
Start HCG when you complete your frontload and run right up until you start PCT.


I must comment though that I think you'd be better off running a more basic, less suppressive cycle. As PP said... You will grow like a weed.
I say this because the fact that you ran tren e on your first cycle makes me question your sanity... :lol:

well the test and tren was my 2nd cycle, first was one of those write offs where u do everything wrong because you listened to 'that dude'. keen on Deca cos i havnt tried it and people i know that have used it saw great results, so naturally im interested.

im still not 100% sure what or how im going to run it, so thats why i thought id run this by u guys and see what u think.

ill add a current pic so you can see what ill be working with

Have a look at the intermediate bulking cycle bud... Use it as a base and switch up front there I.E.your frontload or bridge...

i had a look at that cycle, i see hcg gets stopped a fair bit before pct starts and then ovidrel in pct. can i rather run hcg up to pct then just clomid/aromasin/nolva ?

also, iv read cabasser is a must for deca?

What would be the length of you planed cycle as 10 weeks of deca would be a waist something like a 15 week deca cycle is more beneficial and I have also herd of 20 week deca cycle with lots of gains and minimal los afterwards

i could do 15-20 week of it, theres nothing that will be preventing me, im only starting late december because im going to be in PE for a little over a week (i will be gyming there tho) and i think the airport frowns on carrying illegal substances with u

could any1 else comment on running the deca for up to 20 weeks?

dont take offense pls DK, just want more opinions on the matter

so say something like this then:

week 1-15/20 deca @ 1.5 p/w (M/T pin)
week 1-17/22 supertest 2ml p/w (M/T pin) assuming id run this 2 weeks longer than deca?
week 1-4 dbol or anap @ 50mg ed

bridge of prop/win/proviron?

hcg from week 4 till pct
clomid 14 days @ 100mg ed
aromasin and nolva @ 20mg each ed for 30 days

now, cabasser and arimidex? never used them before. advise pls:)

all PGW and LP so u know the doses

critique away

Why not run nandrolone phenylpropionate? It will kick in faster and won't require such a long cycle.

I'd keep caber on standby. It's not a must with deca/NPP in my opinion and experience with deca. I'd probably go with .5mg adex every 4 or 5 days since dbol is very estrogen producing.

Chem1 wrote: Why not run nandrolone phenylpropionate? It will kick in faster and won't require such a long cycle.

I'd keep caber on standby. It's not a must with deca/NPP in my opinion and experience with deca. I'd probably go with .5mg adex every 4 or 5 days since dbol is very estrogen producing.

I must agree with chem, and ill say again. Your pulling the piss out of these high doses and now silly long cycles.. (tough love) being shut down for around 30 weeks is not a smart move my friend.

If you so keen on deca, run a test e/ npp cycle for 12 weeks.. 2ml of each a week.. can even add a front load if you want..

And also. Remember your buddies who used deca grew because they ate. Not because of the deca itsself.. and with your diet u posted. You womt be doing much growing on a long 22 week cycle