First Cutting Cycle Thoughts and Input

Hi Guys,

I've been lurking around as guest for a bit. First time poster here, this going to be lengthy so strap in.

I'd like to get advice and thoughts on my first cutting cycle I'm putting together.

Firstly here are my stats:

Age - 28
Weight - 79 kg
Years Training - 2
Height - 181 cm
Bodyfat - 13%

I've been weight training for two years I started at off at 27% BF and have since dropped down to 13%. First 6-8 months of weight training I didn't really know what I was doing, diet and weights wise. I have since then wised up and am currently coming off of a 8 month Stronglifts 5x5 routine and have been doing Lyle McDonalds Ultimate Diet 2.0 for two months with awesome results being at 16% BF two months ago and currently at 13%.

Sorry, this post will be in sections - the forums are giving me weird erros copy/pasting from text editors

How's it man hmm is this your first cycle as a whole ? Or is this just your first cutting cycle ? Like have u done any cycles before this like a bulking cycle ?

POST ON BEHALF OF HAIRBO:


Why I'm interested in the cutting cycle is because Lyle talks about Clenbuterol, Ephedrin3 and T3/Cytomel to supplement his UD 2.0 Program.

So I took a look at the beginner cutting cycle that's listed on this site. It looks great, although I really would like to give Clenbuterol a shot as well.

With Clen, two major things I read up on are the two weeks on, two weeks off cycle. But as I understand with Ketofien this is negated, your receptors don't need the break. Also Clen cramping seems to an issue with a lot of people, but apparently if supplemented with Taurine and Potassium the side effects can be minimised, has anyone ever tried this? Is there legitimacy to this in your experience?

Why exactly is Proviron recommended in the cutting cycle? Is it because of its AI properties of is there something else I'm missing? I've red the description of the drug. If someone can give me more insight on this, I would be greatful.

I was going to include T3 in this cycle, since the synergy, from what I've read, between Clen/T3 seems to be amazing. This combo seems to be all the rage on the international forums as well. Lyle is also speaks about supplementing T3 in the UD2.0 diet. As this will be my first cycle I'm apprehensive to play with 3 compounds (Anavar/Clen/T3) all in my first run. Also, has anyone on tried T3? What were your results and how easy did you find your thyroid function returning to normal after going off of T3? Are all the horror stories I hear legitimate or are people just being idiots with their doses?

Finally before we get to the cycle itself, this is one of the more important questions regarding this post. How well could I run a Anavar/Clen Cycle under the radar. Obviously the answer will vary from person-to-person, but how is this on your mood? PCT included. I'd like to keep this underwraps from my other half. Her knowledge concerning fitness/diet is minimal, so to her it would seem I'm just dropping those extra few kgs of fat very fast, of hoê?

My Medical kicks in next month, so I'd like to get a full panel done. Question is, is it fishy to ask your doctor to get this done? Even if it's not, could anyone PM me with details of a doctor in the Cape Town, Durbanville, Stellenbosch and Somerset West area that would be more open minded regarding the use of gear. Would be good to have someone on hand if issues arise.

So here we go, here is my cycle:

Clenbuterol

Day : 1-3 - 20/mcg
Day : 4-6 - 40/mcg
Day : 7-9 - 60/mcg
Day : 10-45 - 80/mcg

Will be supplementing Ketofien for 3/mg everyday

Anavar

Day : 1-3 - 20/mg
Day : 4-6 - 40/mg
Day : 7-9 - 60/mg
Day : 10-45 - 80/mg

PCT

Clomid 50

Day : 40-42 - 100/mg
Day : 43-45 - 100/mg
Day : 46 - 100/mg

Nolvadex 20

Day : 47-75 - 20/mg

All input welcome, please break it down for me.

Thank you, mod/admin! I have just been wrestling with this forum trying to post that! :S

@lex - I haven't done any bulking cycles before aside from eating food So this will be my first foray into gear.

I really wouldn't jump on cycle and shut myself down, manage side effects and all the other bits that come along with it just to lose some fat.

Many more things you can do without shutting yourself down. Many diet protocols, supplements and peptides would be a a much wiser way to go in my opinion.

I wrote an article on Clenbuterol which I think will answer most of your questions.

Everything you need to know about Clenbuterol

T3 really is that dangerous and some respond badly at any dosage, let alone some of the rediculous protocols I see flying around. Stay away from it until you know exactly what you are in for and be sure to ask many questions.

Ahoy Chem1, is the shutdown from Anavar really that hectic? Have you tried doing this cycle before? Or just Anavar only? Not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to get as much information as possible.

I have tried 3 distinct diet protocols, all have been successful to some degree. Thus far I've enjoyed a Carb Cycling Days on/Days off from lifting, IF and UD2.0. UD2.0 is very, very meticulous and by far the biggest pain in the ass to get right. The Carb Cycling coupled with IF is by far my favourite since it's relatively easy to sustain as a lifestyle.

That aside would you care to elaborate on the sups and peptides you'd go with?

Thanks a mil for the link Pyro, really appreciated. Great to have some solid info from first hand experience. Yeah the T3 stuff has got me worried, I think I'd experiment with that far down the line when I eventually get a feel for everything. And even then it's a Maybe.

You peeps have to understand, that I would like to try a bulking cycle in the future, for now however, I feel like the cycle I've proposed is ideal for someone that would just like to get a feel for it.Anavar has many benefits that goes hand in hand with the cutting I'd like to do. However, like Chem1 said, are the sides and PCT too much of a hassle to even try doing Anavar with Clen? Is that why Proviron is suggested to go with Anavar? Or, Is the Clen and Yohimbine coupled with a solid diet and training routine the business for the purposes of shedding weight.

The more I read about Anavar the more I just want to try it for the purposes of self experimentation, seeing what it does to my body and performance in the gym. Super curious.

Anyways, cheers for the info so far.

Bro if u looking on shedding just wait then do Clen nd yohimbine it's a great combo where Clen will work on ur beta cells yohimbine will work on ur alpha awesome weight loss combo...you 13%bf personally I would only touch anavar if I'm 10% nd below that's when u see best results from the substance...

I meant weight not wait my bad :lol:

Hairbo wrote: Ahoy Chem1, is the shutdown from Anavar really that hectic? Have you tried doing this cycle before? Or just Anavar only? Not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to get as much information as possible.

I have tried 3 distinct diet protocols, all have been successful to some degree. Thus far I've enjoyed a Carb Cycling Days on/Days off from lifting, IF and UD2.0. UD2.0 is very, very meticulous and by far the biggest pain in the ass to get right. The Carb Cycling coupled with IF is by far my favourite since it's relatively easy to sustain as a lifestyle.

That aside would you care to elaborate on the sups and peptides you'd go with?

Depending on the dosage Var most likely wont shut you down to where you cant recover. But still, given that you will be shutdown (at standard recommended doses) I'd opt for a different approach for fatloss cos it doesn't seem worth it. If your going to run a cycle do it to pack on mass. If you were an experienced AAS user then AAS cutting stacks are ok eventually.

I've not yet used Var myself, when I do it will be part of a recomp protocol. When I run Var it'll likely be with something like tren lol so I will be growing also, which for me is the main purpose of using steroids.

For fatloss I would look to add the following to an existing fatloss protocol (fasted cardio, calorie restriction, carbless PWO, etc): GHRP + Mod GRF (1-29) and (injectable) L-carnitine. There are specific protocols on the web but depending on goals, budget etc how you use them will vary so I cant really lay it out for you.

There's lots of other fat burners out there that are "ok" but none more effective and beneficial as the above two IMO

Thanks for the input so far, Lex and Chem1. Really appreciated.

Chem1 - I'm on board with you now. I'm going to confess here, it totally flew over my head that my test production would be shutdown from running Anavar or Proviron, even when peeps were telling me otherwise, I just glazed over it, so for that I'm an idiot. A lightbulb only went off last night as I was doing some more reading on the subject.

Not going to do Var without at least adding Test to to this. Next question being, is which variant of Test should I use? Keep in mind that I'm a total noob when it comes to this. I've done a moderate amount of reading about the compounds such as, Clen, Yohimbine and T3. Haven't done enough reading on the injectables to be comfortable with setting up a cycle.

Other thing is, why is the beginner cutting cycle set up on this site, which consists of Anavar and Proviron without test in there? I was using this cycle as an example to justify not pinning. Anyone care to share why?

Cheers.

If you do run test, use some Test Cyp or Enth and run it at 600mg/week for 12 weeks and use the anavar from week 8 until PCT. I think you should drop your body fat a little lower before though personally. But obviously do some more research on the different types of Test before you jump into anything