First Cycle Advice

Masterchief
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28 May 2014 16:50 #169341 by Masterchief

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Hi All.

So i am looking into doing my first cycle. Im 24. 82KG and about 16% body fat. I have been gyming for 3 years and think i have now got my routing and diet to a good point. My only knowledge regarding AAS comes from this site and a year or so of Google searches.

Im looking at trying the Primo oral with Proviron cycle listed under the sample cycles.

My goal is to put on some lean muscle which is why im opting for the Primo. Really not looking to bulk. id like to lean up as much as possible.

1. What id like to know is do people see good results on this cycle?
2. Is there a better cycle for a complete noob to AAS looking to gain lean mass?

I appreciate any advice.
Thanks

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admin
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29 May 2014 07:44 #169358 by admin

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1: Massive results, no. Lean gains with few side-effects, yes.
2: Yes, this one is cheaper and much beter: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

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mike123
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29 May 2014 08:03 #169359 by mike123

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Chief u need to drop the B/F down to 10/12 % to see the lean gains ..this is Diet / cardio
fat burner in that order ..then depending on your budget Primo cost the most then Anavar and the cheapist would be Winny...this u use as a bridge after the cycle the Boss gave u ...

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 08:07 #169360 by Masterchief

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Hi Admin.

Thanks for the response.

The reason i was put off the suggested cycle is because i read that the dinabol would be more of a bulk with a lot of water retention? Is this not correct? I was also put of by the side effects risk.

Would running the inject-able Primo Eth with Test Eth be a better idea? What sort of gains could you expect from this? I would prefer the Eth as it would mean 1 pin a week.

Thanks again for the reply.

Brett

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admin
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29 May 2014 08:12 - 29 May 2014 08:13 #169361 by admin

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First lower your body fat as Mike suggested.

Take an anti-estrogen for the water retention.

No, the Primo E and Test E is not ideal for beginners. You have to inject them twice a week as well.

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 08:13 #169362 by Masterchief

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Thanks Mike.

What fat burner would you suggest? I have used Oxy Elite Pro but now its been linked to Kidney Disease so was put off.

My body fat is normally around 12% but has increased as i injured my knee a few weeks back and have been unable to do any sort of cardio since. I have been doing weight training but sadly cant train legs or do dead lifts. As soon as i have recovered i will cut back down to 12% and that's when i would like to start my cycle.

Thanks

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Shroom Wizard
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29 May 2014 08:14 #169363 by Shroom Wizard

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Morning , money is not the issue thats why i opted for the Primo 200. and my diet is about 2300-2500 cal a day 7 meals of will post the dieet for comments a later , Yes i know need to dropped the bf down to 10-13 % , but thats why im doing the FFF the whole cycle and ive all ready got the Anavar and Winnys so thats why i wanna use the anavar as a bridge up to PCT , would that work for lean gains . also doin carcio twice a day to burn the extra cal

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mike123
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29 May 2014 08:22 #169364 by mike123

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The water u suck in from Dbol in the first 25 days is not necasery a bad thing it gives u instant strengh ..until the cyp kicks in ...Use letro at 3 drops EOD and u wont over bloat with water ..but I say again the leaner u are the better the cycle works and this is diet related the fat burner will assist once your diet is sharp ..check the articles sect above ...Clen yombie 3F ect ect..

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kkx250
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29 May 2014 08:33 #169365 by kkx250

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Or just leave the dbols completely if it bothers you.

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mike123
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29 May 2014 08:53 #169368 by mike123

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Or use Tbol as a frontload ....

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 09:28 #169379 by Masterchief

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Thanks for all the replies guys.

So basically the cycle the admin suggested is the best for a beginner?

Would the PCT suggested in the sample cycle also be the correct choice or would you guys recomend something else?

Im new to Letro. Could you explain how to take this and what it does?

Thanks and sorry for the noobie questions. Gotta start somewhere.

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 09:30 #169380 by Masterchief

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I understand its for gyno reversal but how does it help with the water retention?

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mike123
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29 May 2014 09:35 #169381 by mike123

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Letro is a AI helps to control excess estrogen which could cause Gyno..take 3 drops EOD and if gyno symtoms start increase to 5 drops ED stop before PCT or u can keep on hand and start only if there are symptoms ..your choice ..

Basic cycle the boss recomended and the PCT is spot on

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mike123
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29 May 2014 09:43 #169383 by mike123

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its a water limiter ...use the search function for the technicalities

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 09:47 #169384 by Masterchief

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Thanks for the help Mike.

Really appreciate it.

Its one thing to read about this online but another completely to hear from guys who have actually had the experience with this.

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 10:51 #169396 by Masterchief

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Something i completely forgot. What are the Dbols's like on your liver?

The reason i ask is i had hap b as i kid and was told it would affect my liver for the rest of my life.

Would dbol be exceptionally harsh on the liver?

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mike123
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29 May 2014 11:10 #169398 by mike123

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yes ...speak to a doc u might have to stay away from orals

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Masterchief
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29 May 2014 20:16 #169452 by Masterchief

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Would it be advisable to run primo orals instead of the dbol in order to decrease liver toxicity?

Would it yield similar results?

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29 May 2014 20:44 #169455 by Oupa

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You don't use steroids based on their toxicity levels, you use a specific compound based on your goals and diet.

Comparing Dbold with Primo is the same as comparing the DA with the EFF.

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30 May 2014 21:52 - 30 May 2014 22:06 #169548 by Pyroclasm

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Masterchief wrote: Something i completely forgot. What are the Dbols's like on your liver?

The reason i ask is i had hap b as i kid and was told it would affect my liver for the rest of my life.

Would dbol be exceptionally harsh on the liver?

Don't use D-Bol you are going to suffer. Stick to injectables they are much safer on the body than orals and you won't have any liver worries if you use them correctly. The cycle Admin suggested is not the best cycle for beginners, it is the best cycle for people with a fear of needles. Also some people still believe the general consensus that the injectable steroids are the bad boys, but actually injectables are much safer and easier on the body than orals. We put the oral sample cycles there so these people can also have some guidance.

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Masterchief
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02 Jun 2014 13:13 #169608 by Masterchief

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Thanks Pyro.

What would you then suggest as a beginner cycle with no oral's involved?

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FIllet
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02 Jun 2014 15:34 #169622 by FIllet

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The cycle admin gave is perfect, you can frontload your cyp or use prop in the begining, you can also use prop in your bridge to stay off all orals.

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Pyroclasm
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02 Jun 2014 19:01 #169649 by Pyroclasm

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Masterchief wrote: Thanks Pyro.

What would you then suggest as a beginner cycle with no oral's involved?

To be honest I looked at the link Admin posted and thought that sample cycle 1 is one of the oral only ones. My misunderstanding. My intention was to explain why we have oral only sample cycles. The cycle Admin suggested is great and has been used thousands of times with great results. As suggested in the cycle I would use the test cyp as suggested and then I would rather leave the D-Bol because your liver might not be able to handle it.

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Masterchief
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03 Jun 2014 11:14 #169680 by Masterchief

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Ok so Dbol is out

Thanks

Anything that you would suggest as a replacement that could do some good with the cyp? Anything that wouldn't be as harsh on the liver that could provide similar results. Or is it best to just run the cyp alone if dbol is out of the question?

Oupa did say that you choose based on your goals. My goal would be to pick up some lean muscle and make some strength gains. Not sure which compounds are the best at doing this?

Thanks

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mike123
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03 Jun 2014 15:24 #169715 by mike123

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Oral primo is not liver toxic but expensive ...lean gains ...If u want to pin at least 3 times a week then as fillet suggested or u can use Cyp on its own will take 2 to 3 weeks to kick and by week 5 u going full swing ..your bridge is going to be a prob if u dont use prop as it is a long wait to PCT ...

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