Recomp / cutting blast. Thoughts?

Sup guys. So this is what I'm planning for my upcoming blast.
Goal is to shred as much fat as possible, while gaining as much muscle as possible.
Let me know what you think.

>IPCA T400 (400mg test mix) ew
>750mg PGW tren enth ew
>Taper up to 100mcg t3 ed
>20mg Nolva ed (trying to get rid of slightly puffy nips)
>Will add in vit b6 if progesterone side flair up

Tell me what you think. Thanks.

You want to smash 750mg Tren enanthate but you have Gyno issues???????

No, not gyno. Its just slightly puffy nips from puberty. + tren doesn't aromatase. The nolva should take care of the problem though.

Your looking at doing a cycle like that and from your other thread you clearly have very little idea how to even train properly :whistle: :S
How many cycles have you done? What are your stats? How's your diet look?

So you have been on course before with puffy Nipples? What's your course history?

And that Ipca test mix is a load of crap.

Rhino wrote: Your looking at doing a cycle like that and from your other thread you clearly have very little idea how to even train properly :whistle: :S
How many cycles have you done? What are your stats? How's your diet look?

I've done one basic cycle before. Just standard 500mg sus ew (with ancillaries)
Stats :
BP : 90 5x5
Squat : 135 5x5
DL : 160 1x5
OHP : 55 5x5

Age : 19
Weight : 86Kgs
Bodyfat : ~15%

Rhino wrote: And that Ipca test mix is a load of crap.

I have to agree. I got ripped of by a source. Luckily I found a new, more reliable one.

At 19 and for your second cycle don't even consider Tren! Just go and read the article section about the compound its a seriously advanced steroid. I've done a Number of cycles and still haven't touched it.
And if you say your BF is 15 I promise you it's higher. diet down first and then only consider a more basic cycle once you can see your abs.

To be honest at you age and with such limited knowledge you shouldn't even be considering gear your going to seriously hurt yourself and I for one won't be helping you do it.

750mg tren a week, I still need to work up to that.

I'd take rhinos advice. Diet down natty and then recomp with test prop and var maybe but with any recomp cycle diet is the key.

Yolodrol wrote: No, not gyno. Its just slightly puffy nips from puberty. + tren doesn't aromatase. The nolva should take care of the problem though.

You are right in that Tren does not aromatise into estrogen. But Trenbolone is a 19-nortestosterone which cause increased Prolactin levels. Prolactin is the hormone that sky rockets when a woman becomes pregnant, which allows her to produce breast milk and in many cases cause her boobs to grow. It also causes gyno and Nolvadex will not stop this type of gyno. You need an anti-prolactin like Cabasser as suggested. First and foremost what in the hell are you thinking doing that much gear at your age are you nuts??!! But YOLO right?

Add: Because of your mild gyno from puberty you are especially at risk of gyno, because any gyno that has already formed acts like an aromatase supersite!

I've also never done 750mg tren per week. It's just not necessary unless you are an elite level competitor with too many years under the belt. Nevermind the emotional side effects of tren at 750mg for a 19 year old, which would be like telling someone they are about to die and then giving them a potent psychedelic drug. Madness. You will fight with everyone close to you and turn your life into a ball of shit.

Unless you have the genetics to be a top level bodybuilder nobody should be using steroids at 19. Way too risky.

Pyroclasm wrote: You are right in that Tren does not aromatise into estrogen. But Trenbolone is a 19-nortestosterone which cause increased Prolactin levels. Prolactin is the hormone that sky rockets when a woman becomes pregnant, which allows her to produce breast milk and in many cases cause her boobs to grow. It also causes gyno and Nolvadex will not stop this type of gyno. You need an anti-prolactin like Cabasser as suggested. First and foremost what in the hell are you thinking doing that much gear at your age are you nuts??!! But YOLO right?

Add: Because of your mild gyno from puberty you are especially at risk of gyno, because any gyno that has already formed acts like an aromatase supersite!

I appreciate everyone's concern. I will taper the dosage down if I find the sides too harsh. What are your thoughts on using vit b6 for prolactin?
I've heard good testimonials from other guys, and studies have shown it to be rather effective.

Links to studies :
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4058985
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/501547

Ok you smart ass. Why ask for advice on the first place? We welcome people wanting help here but we don't tolerate stupid. Don't you think that if B6 sorted out deca/tren prolactin issues we wouldn't be spending so much money on cabaser? Or did we somehow miss that info. We've all heard it and been around the block enough times to make you spin. A study on lactating women and prolactin has jack shit to do with tren related prolactin.

You're going down a hard road with your attitude towards steroids.

Yes I am familiar with those studies. Be sure to read studies meticulously. The study about lactating women was measured close to giving birth, and I would not think this relevant to male prolactin levels as a woman's hormones during these times are completely different to that of a male. Remember that your hormones function together as a system and the levels of one hormone will influence how much of the other is produced. The other study is good and it says that Vit B6 is a suppressor of Prolactin but nowhere near as effective as Bromocriptine. From experience I can confirm that Vit B6 is not effective enough to suppress Prolactin caused by 19-Nors.

Muscleaddict wrote: Ok you smart ass. Why ask for advice on the first place? We welcome people wanting help here but we don't tolerate stupid. Don't you think that if B6 sorted out deca/tren prolactin issues we wouldn't be spending so much money on cabaser? Or did we somehow miss that info. We've all heard it and been around the block enough times to make you spin. A study on lactating women and prolactin has jack shit to do with tren related prolactin.

You're going down a hard road with your attitude towards steroids.

Jeez man, why so much hate?

Pyroclasm wrote: From experience I can confirm that Vit B6 is not effective enough to suppress Prolactin caused by 19-Nors.

Thanks, appreciate the input.

Muscleaddict is spot with his comment on you should not be using this type of gear at your age. The man knows his shit backwards!! You can take a camel to the water but you cannot make it drink. So if you are going ahead with ball of shit cycle at 19 years old we are not going to be a part of it.

You are b&c at 19 are you serious? or just trolling? :huh:

I give up. This laatie "thinks" by reading a few articles sourced on Pubmed makes him a fkn expert?
As Pyro said did you read the WHOLE article or only the abstract? Do you even know what that means.
Secondly did you even think to read the references and the references to references? This is how all academics approach studies.
Plus add to the fact they generally have a few degrees and INTIMATE understanding and knowledge of the topic on hand.
Now short of drawing it in pictures.
1) You're an idiot.
2) You're playing with chemicals you know nothing of.
3) you're not even in the right physical shape to use the basic AAS's yet you want to start with the advanced stuff.
4) you're going to damage yourself.
5) you're either insecure and want to take a short cut or so full of yourself you think you're invincible. You're not.

Now either listen to what you're being told. Stop trying to be clever and at least have the decency to save your family a lot of anguish when they're the ones who are going to have to pick up the pieces.

Yolodrol wrote:
Tell me what you think. Thanks.

Jou fokken kop raas.

Good luck with the medical costs when trying to sort out pissing more blood than urine.

I've done one basic cycle before. Just standard 500mg sus ew (with ancillaries)
Stats :
BP : 90 5x5
Squat : 135 5x5
DL : 160 1x5
OHP : 55 5x5

Age : 19
Weight : 86Kgs
Bodyfat : ~15%

Really? After already doing a cycle? Eat cleaner and train harder. I was doing similar (some better, some worse) naturally at that age and was far from serious about it.

You're stuffing up your body. Spend some time on finding out the long term effects of cycles, specifically on the endocrine system.

These guys are hostile because it's people like you that give AAS such a bad rep.