test sd or test deca ?

Good evening guys - i was planning on doing test nd deca cycle as a 3rd cycle but im thinking now mayb i should wait with deca ther is no rush

My goal is jus some lean gaines and krag

Test cyp 500mg a week for 10 weeks
Sd 20mg for 4 weeks
Then a winnies bridge bfore nolva nd clomid pct ?

Compared to

Test cyp 500mg / week for 14 weeks
Deca 350mg / week for 12 weeks
Sd 20mg for 4 weeks
Hcg 250ui e3d
Caber 0,5 e5d

With doctari pct

Whats your thoughts guys ?

Stats? Ultimate goal?

Ive dropped 1.5kg in the last two weeks as im tryna get bf low as pos before next cycle - sitting on 96.4 now - im 22 prety tall, bf round 12% - ultimate goal is too groooow as all of ours are im guessing but not so fast that all you hear from your mates are ahhhh you were on some hardcore shit haha if u know what i mean - at the momemt i am still swimming alot so im not sure if that wil hinder a deca cycle ? As to my understanding sd isnt that much for bulking with has brought me to the sd test cycle?

If you scared about your people noticing you taking chemicals then I would rather leave the oral kickstarter. Your peeps should also notice when you use Deca because the mass gains are crazy. Use HCG on cycle for any cycle.

@pyro im stil not sure when hcg is best ? During or for pct ? Would a deca cycle be much beter than a sd ? Gains wise ?

waldi123 wrote: @pyro im stil not sure when hcg is best ? During or for pct ? Would a deca cycle be much beter than a sd ? Gains wise ?

Better to take HCG during your cycle and bridge than for PCT. Always.

Hey MA

If you were going to run HCG like you say what would you do the normal 250 twice a week on cycle then have a break from it at the end of your cycle and for the last 20 days of bridge do 500 EOD?
Or would you just keep it at 250 twice a week right up until PCT?

Thanks Bud

Bro I do 250IU twice a week during the cycle starting around week 4. I up it to 500IU twice a week for around the last 3 weeks of my bridge. Very important to use an AI here because you want to go into PCT with estrogen on the low end as to minimize negative feedback on the pituitary, so that your clomid can be as effective as possible.

During PCT you can then halve your aromasin dose recommended in PCT3 (EOD instead of ED), because you will not have to deal with the high aromatisation you would get from ovidrel/HCG.

Thanks MA. Which AI do you recommend? Femara? Used only for last three weeks of bridge? At which dosage?
Thanks, Nate

Muscleaddict wrote: Bro I do 250IU twice a week during the cycle starting around week 4. I up it to 500IU twice a week for around the last 3 weeks of my bridge. Very important to use an AI here because you want to go into PCT with estrogen on the low end as to minimize negative feedback on the pituitary, so that your clomid can be as effective as possible.

During PCT you can then halve your aromasin dose recommended in PCT3 (EOD instead of ED), because you will not have to deal with the high aromatisation you would get from ovidrel/HCG.

Cool I'm going to give that a go! At the moment I'm taking 20mg Aromasin twice a week and so far so good so I'll just keep running it like that all going well right up until PCT then.

Thanks Bro

It depends on how sensitive you are to gyno and E2 side effects. It's all trial and error as what works for one guy won't work for another. A good place to start is Adex at 0.25mg EOD. It's cost effective and easy to dose in liquid form. For guys who are prone to gyno I'd recommend starting letro at 3 drops EOD and increasing if you need more, because if you run into big gyno problems letro is what you want.

The only problem with LP Aromasin is that being in capsules makes it hard to dose. But I feel better on it than the other AIs. I'm currently using 1 cap E3D and 3 drops of letro per day. That's overkill for most but spot on for me.

Will an AI reduce your gains? Yes you will hold less water and look better and have more definiation lol. The water retention caused by E2 does help with strength gains and estrogen does have a positive effect on your IGF1 levels, but as long as you aren't taking too much AI the difference in muscle gains is negligible imo.

Ive been thinking whats the point of a cycle if im not looking to get the max out of it so i think test deca cycle is the one !! What do you guys think of the following dosages ect

Week 1 - 4 sd at 10 - 20 mg ed ( as i read that 30mg ed is fokken harsh )
Week 1 - 12 Deca 350mg/week split in two pins
Week 1 - 14 test cyp 500mg/week also split pins
Week 4 - 14 Hcg 250iu twice a week ? E3d ?
week 1 - 12 ???caber 0.5 e5d
Week 14 - pct winnies at 30mg ed ?
Week 1 until ? Letrozole and whats the dose ?
Then pct 3 ?

Isnt ovidrel hcg ? If so why do i run it week 4 to 14 then again in pct ?

waldi123 wrote: Ive been thinking whats the point of a cycle if im not looking to get the max out of it so i think test deca cycle is the one !! What do you guys think of the following dosages ect

Week 1 - 4 sd at 10 - 20 mg ed ( as i read that 30mg ed is fokken harsh )
Week 1 - 12 Deca 350mg/week split in two pins
Week 1 - 14 test cyp 500mg/week also split pins
Week 4 - 14 Hcg 250iu twice a week ? E3d ?
week 1 - 12 ???caber 0.5 e5d
Week 14 - pct winnies at 30mg ed ?
Week 1 until ? Letrozole and whats the dose ?
Then pct 3 ?

Isnt ovidrel hcg ? If so why do i run it week 4 to 14 then again in pct ?

It depends how much caber you have. Rather start the cabaser week 4 and run to around week 16. It takes a while for deca to build up to high levels in your blood stream and most people don't get deca dick the first few weeks. That way 8 cabaser pills will last you 80 days if taking 0.5mg E5D. Deca takes a LONG time to clear the system so you want to run cabaser at least 4 weeks after your last shot. Ideally even longer.

Read my posts above. They answer your Q's about AI and HCG.

Thank you so much for this.
Sorry blanked for a moment with all the abbreviations. AI?

Sorry wasnt looking at those - so youd say letro at 3 drops ed from day one until end of test or end of bridge ?

Ps is 1 drop 5ml or what ?

waldi123 wrote: @pyro im stil not sure when hcg is best ? During or for pct ? Would a deca cycle be much beter than a sd ? Gains wise ?

HCG during cycle is better i.m.o. You can always run it during PCT again if need be- it is not expensive and super effective. Comparing Deca and Superdrol, you can only run Superdrol for 3 weeks before your system is fried whereas Deca you can run for a long time with no problems. The gains from S-Drol is actually pretty decent but not more than 2-3kg in those three weeks. The gains from Deca is also lean and you can keep most if you have a clue. For me I would never touch Superdrol whereas Deca is one of my favourite compounds. To compare an oral to an injectable is apples and oranges.

Thanks Pyro. Very informative.

Deca it wil be with perhaps a dbol kickstart then and a winnies bridge - thanks guys will hear from me again - starting to buy my gear this week

Good luck dude