Advice on a Cycle Newbee/Intermediate

Hey there everyone

Wow what an awesome forum you have going here i must say.

FYI i did read the rules and the articles as per what is expected, and wow how little about this subject i really know, i have learnt so much and now fully understand why i was not getting the best out of what i was paying for as i had no clue what i was really doing and was just listing to the BRO in the gym saying take this and that, so ya what a waste but in the same breathe not as i got to figure out how these particular steroids affected my body.

Firstly my goal is to compete. therefore i would like to bilk up initially before i cut later, but what confused me is are we to bulk follow up by PCT the cut or is it Bulk cut PCT. either way i will sum up my questions at the end of this post.

first when it comes to Gyno i do suffer from it, even as a child i did, so would i go from the on set of my cycle on an anti estrogen such as novaldex just to ensure i don't have any side negetive effects, im asking this and i need feed back as im not sure are there other guys who have done the same with the intense issue that i have had before.

ok thats cleared up.

I have run cycles over the past 5 years on and off will little success i think due to the fact that the dosage was not sufficient to reach the goals i wanted, possibly as said i was using a therapeutic amount.

So first off i want to run this PCT (advice as to after bulk or after cutting as i would want to run one into the other, if not advisable please say)

PCT to start 30 days after last injectable (test-e)
Clomiphene citrate 50MG twice daily first 7b days
Nolvadex 20mg from day 8 for next 30 days, but remember i would like to run this from the start of a cycle due to my gyno issues
HGC from day 8 every second day at 500UI

this would be run as per recommended, but on that i could not use this PCT when cutting if i intend on using tren which i would like to use, so this might possible need tweeking

Ok so to my Cycle i want to bulk. i have run this cycle before but in the therapeutic dosage and want to up it as i want the results i desire. once again please tweek it if you feel i mihgt be over doing or under doing it.

Here goes FYI bulking in prep for cutting i want to compete.

Testosterone Enanthate 600mg once weekly 2ml for 15 weeks
Deca 350 @ 500mg per week for 13 weeks
D bol 50ml per day for first 20 day.

Please note this is just to bulk up i would like to take Nolvadex through out the cousre as i have a tendancy to get gyno.

ok lets sum up a few things here

1. would that cycle be good enough to bulk so that i could cut down.
2. do i run a bulking cycle followed directly by a cutting cycle then PCT
3.Im from the Cape and well now live in PTa where can i get someone to assist in obtain the required cycle. that is reputable and wont rip me off

Please guys feel free to tweek it where possible and possibly if needed. please remember i would like to compete, i will shortly post something on diet as my god is there so much rubbish on line as to how to diet.

looking forward to response

You are not allowed to ask for sources, I though you read the rules. Last warning.

sorry about that, slipped my mind

Whats your idea of a cutting cycle?

Ok... Here we go.

I'm going to keep this short and sweet, as I feel you need the basics and not get confused by the extreme detail that is actually needed to fine tune a physique for competing.

Firstly for us to help you, you need to help us, basic info like age, height weight etc.

Next post up your daily diet, as without a solid structure you will waist a lot of your time, including ours talking about a cycle that will go nowhere.

Next... My advice, leave the deca. Hit a solid test e cycle for 10-12 weeks. 500-600mg per week dependent on what brand you use.

Dbol 30-40 mg a day for 4 weeks, u say you Gyno prone but want to jump start using 50mg dbol.. That's asking for itchy nipples.

Next, use arimidex instead of nolvadex to control Gyno. It's far superior. And running a low dose on cycle will help keep estrogen in check. Keep the nolvadex for pct.

As for bulking into cutting.. You can do it in one cycle. But remember your cut will be determined by your diet, and not what steroids you use. Yes they do assist.. But if your smart you can cut off test alone. And you should stick to the basics being a beginner.

A generic split could be a 12 week bulk on cycle. Then during your 30 day bridge to pct you can adjust calories, up cardio and get on a fat burner to drop bf.. A mini cut. Then your pct.

It's going to take many years, and many educated cycles to be a competitive athlete.. You need to build up a great foundation first.

Sure you can compete after 1 cycle. But don't be unrealistic and expect to win overalls.. It takes years/and or amazing genetics to do well.

So firstly, get that diet up... So the guys can assist you on that before going further

And ps. Welcome

Thank Poisenedpulse

Well just a quick reply to that.

Age:30
Height:1.76m
Weight:92kg
18% body fat

im still busy construction a diet as i know in bulk and cutting that diet is key and a deal breaker.

once i figure out how to do that i will definitely be in contact.
I will definitely take your advice but am a bit confused as to why not take the Deca, could you explain.

Great post PoisonedPulse.Thank you

As a beginner armed with the correct knowledge and diet, it's just not needed at this point for you,

I can almost guarantee you would of done the cycle and seen no extra or additional results from the deca, all you would have done is added extra strain to your body.. And side effects. Have u run deca before?

If you have ... Let me ask you this. How do you know you got Gyno from estrogen (test) or prolactin (deca) as they can both cause a different version of Gyno...... ... .??

Just a point to think about, so start with the basics and u can identify your side effect culprits... That's how you will eventually learn your body and how it reacts to certain things..

Bottom line is, we will get you great gains off test alone with a good diet, why complicate it further when it's not needed? ... And run the risk of deca dick and other nasty sides..

Ok as for the diet, use the search function on the forum for the dieting stickies. They here somewhere, they will help u huge amounts..

Do some research yourselF and come to a conclusion. . And we take your questions from there.

Also... What have u run before? And I suggest you get your bf down a bit first before a cycle. Or that WILL assist in Gyno (high bf)

Wow. Fascinating insights PoisonedPulse. +1 dude. Thank you.

yeh loving your posts PP...listen to him and learn....diet first before AAS.18% bodyfat....is that not to high for a cycle?

Seems like PP is reading the book - Mastery

Still got some life left in me at 24 years young

To lazy to read that book so I downloaded the audio book
Lol

Too sore to download the audio book so I'm watching the movie tonight

Awesome advice.

with regards to the Gyno, as a child going through puberty at a late age i had horrible issues with it so much so i ended up at a doctors room to give me drugs to assist with reducing the effect, hence im terrified of it.

as for running a cycle i have run a few cycles over the past few years, but always getting advice from some idiot who just wants to rip me off or just thinks he knows what he is doing. plus before find this site all other info i was ready got rather confusing to be rather honest. I feel like an idiot asking for advice but i need it and just some kind of general direction, the rest i can do myself.

typical cycle i have run has been Deca Test e and Dbol followed by PCT, purely to bilk, but now wanting to compete in body building in about 2 years i want to take it alot more serious. seriously hurt my back 18 months ago during a strong man competition and that has taking me out the gym for that period, sadly doc recommends i don't do it anymore and that typical gym would be fine as the bio kinetics of gym and strong man are totally different.

in actual fact i never really did it for body building i enjoyed having the strength to compete in power lifting and strong man events hence no need to cut as bulk was what i required.

so you sugest i hiot the gym for possibly two month hit a serious good diet to drop some body fat before i run a typical beginners cycle with another good diet?

Correct brother... One thing about higher bf. it's a demon for bringing on Gyno, and coupled with gear could leave you in a nasty position we can easily avoid.

12-15% would be ok. But obviously the lower the better for Gyno reasons.. If I may ask, we're you over weight as a kid?

And ps. Don't be afraid or ask any questions. This might be a forum full of testosterone gym junkies, but we all here to learn and help.. And if you willing to listen and do your part. The guys go the extra mile to assist.

Nicely said PP. +1 to you for saying that

Actually the total opposite my nick name as a child and in high school until i hit puberty was Bones.

was take to doc as i said cos i felt i had man boobs and was told its like that due to the fact that i came into puberty at such a late stange in my life, only at 15 actually.

have had a type of gyno for most of my life and was told i would need to have an op is i wanted it gone, which ii had a few years back, so you can understand my stress over it happening again and ensuring it doesnt happen, in my past course i have always taken anti estrogen from to out set of a course