Second cycle advice

Hi guys,

To start off with, I would like to give a little background on my current situation. My first cycle (Deca + Sus) was a little more than a year ago. Only problem I encountered with it was because I had a s**tty PCT, I got bad back acne about 2 months after my cycle. When I started training Feb 2011, I was skinny as **** and my body fat had to be at least 20%.

Current body stats
Weight: 76kg
Body fat: +- 10%
Height: 1.7
Age: 22

My current Diet:
Meal 1 – 07:15: 1 cup of Oats or 2 sachet of instant oats + 4 eggs, 2 EFA Softgels and a Multivitamin
Meal 2 – 10:00: Bananna, Half can of tuna, 1 Scoop whey, Yoghurt
Meal 3 – 13:00: Grilled chicken/fish or red meat (180g), 80g rice / low-carb pasta / sweet potato, Veggies, 2 EFA Softgels
Meal 4 – 15:30: 2 Rice cakes with peanut butter
Exercise – 18:00: Perworkout + AAKG (30 min before exercise), 2 Scoops whey protein after exercise
Meal 5 – 20:00: Grilled chicken/fish or red meat (180g) with Salad
Meal 6 – Before Sleep: Tablespoon of peanut butter

Cycle:
Info:
This is probably the place where I need the most help. I have read a lot, but whatever I get must fall within my budget of around R2.5k (Less is better).

My other concern is the back acne from my previous cycle. Would it be better to get a test base with a shorter Half-Life to try and avoid the acne? So far I have decided on test-prop rather than test-e or sus. If you guys think that it won't make a difference in terms of acne, then I would rather use test-e as it is less injections and cheaper.

Cycle layout):
Week 1: Tbol @ 40mg ED
Week 2: Tbol @ 50mg ED + Test-prop @ 1ml (Monday + Thursday)
Week 3: Tbol @ 50mg ED + Test-prop @ 1ml (Monday + Thursday)
Week 4 - 10: Test-prop @ 1ml (Monday + Thursday) + Proviron @ 25mg ED

PCT:
I have a bad experience with Nolva so I would prefer not to use it. Currently I am leaning towards Clomid and HCG. Will that be good enough?

Advice:
Please advise me in any way possible as I would not like to **** up this cycle like my first one.


Thanks in advance.

Welcome to the forum. Your cycle is not that great. Rather do this one: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

What bad experience did you have with Nolva?

Howzit. You're gonna have to tweak your diet quite a bit if you want to pack on some decent muscle mass. You should add in more complex cabs and lean meat. Go through the diet stickies and compare.

Your acne thought you got post cycle last time had nothing to do with the test ester you used. Acne is caused by unstable hormone levels and post cycle your hormones are going through a big adjustment period. On cycle acne is a different story. Long esters are more likely to cause acne then, but timing injections properly will minimize this. Get some tetracycline or doxycycline for acne. Doxy is great because besides being an antibiotic it also dried out oily skin. OTC stuff is useless.

Test prop must be injected EOD. Do not use it if you are only injecting twice a week. Your test levels will zigzag like crazy which means more side effects and less gains. What prop are you using? 2ml a week is very little.

3 weeks is not long enough to run Tbol. I understand you are frontloading but you will not get your money's worth from 3 weeks on it. Get an extra bottle.

@ Muscleaddict

I would prefer to put on lean muscle, with maybe a little of water, that is why my diet is structured like that. Might tweak it a bit, with more carbs and meat, just no carbs after 6pm.

I will buy another bottle of Tbol. That is a good idea. Thanks

Maybe I should consider test-e and just time my injections perfectly and do a well structured PCT. I think if I use test-e I will inject EW and between 250mg and 500mg. Not sure about the mg I should use. Please give me some advice on that

@admin

I am looking at that cycle. And the structure looks nice, might just replace the cyp with test-e and I will still prefer replace the Dbol with Tbol.

Nolva ***** up my sex drive and I am not able 2 get any form of a hard-on while on it. And then GF gets pissed. haha. So if I follow that Beginner bulking cycle's PCT, what can I use to replace the Nolva? If there is no way of getting around it I will use Nolva.

You can swop the cyp for test e and dianabol for turinabol, no problem.

The nolva is not to blame for your loss in libido, it was the deca and crappy PCT.

Between cyp and test-e, which would you recommend for better results, and how big is the price difference?

Also, how would you change my diet?

tramacet wrote: Between cyp and test-e, which would you recommend for better results, and how big is the price difference?

Also, how would you change my diet?

Cyp and Test-e are chemically almost identical, so results are the same. However the Testocyp from PGW is much better for beginners, because the Testen might cause some injection pain due to the high concentration. It will depend on the brand you plan to use though.

We cannot discuss prices here on the public forum for security reasons.

Ok cool. Thanks. I think I will go with the less painful injection (I hate injections).

Thanks for all the advice so far.

Any advice on the diet? Please just note that as I said I would prefer to pick up as little fat and water as possible.

Price difference is HUGE!

So going with test-cyp and tbol. Thanks for all the help so far. Now looking on how to improve diet

No, the difference between cyp and test-e is not huge at all... For the same mg amount the PGW Testocyp is R13 more than the Testen.

Well I pay half the price for test-cyp than test-e... Getting axio labs. Maybe that's the difference?

Oh and it's cyp 200mg not 250mg, but that doesn't bother me.

Got first batch of testcyp 200mg and tbol.

Any advice on my diet would be appreciated.

For diet advice, please look at the stickies in the dieting section or start a new thread.

Thanks!

Will do. Got a buddy that can help me out as well.


Thanks for all the help today.

After reading that you were skinny and had at least 20% bf, how sure are you that you are on 10%?

Beer belly and love handles made my fat % 20. Arms and legs and chest was super skinny. Make sence now?

And i am 100% sure I am around 10% now

tramacet wrote: And i am 100% sure I am around 10% now

those words do not belong in the same sentence bud.

Let me rephrase that. I am 100% sure that my bodyfat is between 9.5% and 10.5%. When I did an assessment 2 weeks ago it was on 10.1%