Extending cycle or not

Howzit guys,

Im down to my last pin on sunday, then proviron and winny bridge. Coming of a 15week equi and test c cycle, im not pleased though. Probably my worst cycle to date, combination of varsity stress and picking up a bladder infection this last week is gonna leave me exiting on a low I can safely resume training on monday.

I have another vial of test cyp, which ideally i like to use for a cycle extension and throw in some t3 with hiit cardio and cut abut 4 kgs. Then ride the winstrol with a caloric defecit and clean up nicely. Whats your guys thoughts ? If i extended that will be 20weeks

Sorry to hear your cycle has gone so badly bro, what were your gains if you don't mind me asking and what were you expecting from the cycle?

Maybe for your cycle extension rather get Test Prop - that way you can stop the Prop 2 weeks before your PCT to avoid further suppression. Otherwise you're gonna have to wait a further 36 days from your last Cyp pin until PCT.

I'd save the Cyp for the future if I was you.

I was at 90kg 15weeks ago, now weighing in as of 5min ago at 99.78kg. 7kg's i gained as of 2weeks ago, but the last week has been horrid... My diet went to shit, part being depressed with the infection. Put me out of gym, longest break Away from training for over a year.

I think i dropped a kg of muscle and picked up 3kg of fat and water retention lack of water intake and diet essentially a cheat meal everyday for last week. I don't think its too late to exit with good gains, but shit i gotta at least clean up.

Thats actually not a bad idea perhaps low dose test p e4d essentially just as anti catabolic and run winny and proviron with that should be a decent enough bridge. T3 yes/no ? It would be now or next cycle, wouldn't ever run it without some test and drop muscle but i also have 60+- oraltech clen tabs and 45+- yohimbine which i could add instead ?

Rough gestimate would be im at 16-18% bf which im incredibly unhappy about, but yeah last month has been ruff. Im in the works of contacting DJ regarding a diet as im bored shitless with my current eating regime.

Thanks for the reply btw always appreciate your guys feedback.

Hi bud

Did you run both the EQ and the Cyp for 15 weeks?

Yeah 1.5ml equi and 2ml cyp per week but had alot of gyno issues on cycle, on account that my bf was too high. Wont be making that mistake again i can assure you !

Ok well to start, you need to be injecting the Test Prop (if you decide to use it) EOD in order to maintain stable blood levels.

A while back Muscleaddict posted some nice graphs illustrating blood concentration levels starting the day 100mg was injected - it basically showed that for the first 2 days, the Prop's concentration levels in the blood were elevated at a good rate, however from day 3 onwards these levels began decreasing dramatically until they had diminished, which is why I will only keep injections to EOD strictly when running Prop so that sides aren't given a window of opportunity to develop, and so that gains come in a steady flow because of the stability of the blood levels.

If you're not keen on the EOD injections then instead of running any more Test and even T3, rather just run a clen & yohimbine (maybe with some proviron) for your bridge, remembering how to cycle the clen. I don't know that I would do a Proviron and Winny bridge if I were you, as the bridge period after Equipoise is +-50 days if I'm not correct? Which is far too long to be running Winny. Clen also has anti-catabolic properties which will be beneficial for you incase you didn't already know that.

To summarise what I just said, if I was you I'd run (in order of preference):
*Test Prop and T3 with Proviron
OR
*Clen & Yohimbine
NOT
*Winny and Proviron

By the way, how was your gains to sides ratio on this cycle at those dosages (apart from your gyno flare-ups)? What were your goals, and how many calories were you eating daily?

Hope things work out better from now

You can run the Cyp for 14 days after the EQ for the two compounds to clear at the same time.

Pyroclasm wrote: You can run the Cyp for 14 days after the EQ for the two compounds to clear at the same time.

Jeez, I didn't even think of that :pinch: Shows what 7+ hours worth of essays does to you haha. Would you then just use the extra vial of Cyp, and then do a standard Winny & Proviron bridge, or something along those lines?

maybe run anavar for the 50day bridge, that's about 7 weeks.

MK wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: You can run the Cyp for 14 days after the EQ for the two compounds to clear at the same time.

Jeez, I didn't even think of that :pinch: Shows what 7+ hours worth of essays does to you haha. Would you then just use the extra vial of Cyp, and then do a standard Winny & Proviron bridge, or something along those lines?

That's why I popped a bottle of champers when I walked out of my last English exam in Matric. Good times! Since fat is an issue I would run Clen + Winny + T3/Yohimbine for the bridge. Proviron is always included in everything I say.

Howzit guys,

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for such a concise reply Mk, me reasoning for the extra cyp vial was for the 50-36=14 day gap in which the equi would then as you say exit at the same time as the cyp. Then doing from day 10 on the cyp 2 week extension begin stanazolol + proviron ive got 200 oraltech tabs which im really looking forward to using

I ideally wouldn't like to spend more, just maximize the remaining gear i already have which consists of the yohimbine,clen,stanazolol and 1 vial testcyp.

My on cycle eating is 3500calories consisting of 55%protein, 30%carbs and 15% fat. This split into 5meals per day, breakfast being the biggest one. Some might say its conservative, but i am no pro athelete and do this recreationally its what works for me and something i can manage.

Sides wise, the cycle was a learning curve. This my 4th cycle, ive learnt more this time around about my body then ever before. Firstly my bf was far too high at around 16% if i can recall correctly which just aggrevated probable gyno flare up which inevitably happend. I also for the first time used adex as an AI of choice, which i will never do again. Its brilliant dont get me wrong, and i welcome headache free cycles. But it just doesn't carry the same suppressive nature as letro does for myself. At one stage i was doing 20mg nolvadex daily + 2mg adex per day for over 2weeks to eventually get the lumps under control. Very costly indeed ! So i dont think for future use will i be using adex.

Hey bud, I'm sorry your cycle didn't go exactly as planned.

You say your bf was around 16%, would you in future not start a cycle @ 16% or would you start a cycle but just have Letro on hand instead of Adex ? What brand of Adex did you use ?

Thanks

Aspoester, do that method of using the extra Cyp vial a few weeks after you finish the Equi so that both esters clear at the same time.

Then incorporate the Clen, Yohimbine, Winny and get some Proviron for your bridge. That's what I'd do bro.

Samurai_X wrote: Hey bud, I'm sorry your cycle didn't go exactly as planned.

You say your bf was around 16%, would you in future not start a cycle @ 16% or would you start a cycle but just have Letro on hand instead of Adex ? What brand of Adex did you use ?

Thanks

Personally from the shit i went through and all the extra cash i had to spend just controlling the estro sides i wouldn't personally go on cycle again with anything less than 12%. The problem is i pack on fat in my midsection, and that exa 1-2cm layer of sub cutaneous fat is breeding ground for gyno. Ive read muscleaddict comment on it quite often in other thread as he too has had issues in the past. So in all honesty just wait that month or two, hit some fat burners and a 500 caloric deficit and you will get yourself nice and clean.

It truly beats paying for it later in AI abuse later in the cycle. Regarding your adex/letro question, adex definitely works and it gets to work very fast wihtin 24hrs you can already feel a sensitivity drop and lumps shrink 20-30% but i feel it loses it effectiveness unless you keep increasing the dose. Also the rebound effect is quite severe, so tapering down never worked for myself as the minute i dropped dosage under 2mg (using 20mg nolva daily aswell) the lumps started returning. Was using Liquid Pharma Adex (top notch stuff!)

Letro is a one and only. Take about two weeks to really start working, so for myself a eod maintenance dose of 0.5mg works best and when gyno flares up hit the nolva at 20mg and increase letro to 1mg for a week. Then reassess, it works slowly in the background and quite aggressive in nature the headaches though are the only downside for myself. Also was/currently using Liquid Pharma

Id start cycle only when my bf was sub 12%, this to save cash on possible gyno issues. You can do 16%, alot of people have no problem with 15% but if you are naturally gyno prone as i am, its not worth the risks.