First Test E only cycle

Hi guys I have decided to go with one of the sample cycles on this site.The beginner bulking cycle ( Dbol + Test Cyp).Only I am not planning on using dbol only test.I want to know if its ok to use test E instead of test Cyp.See there half life is almost identical.Then my other question is how often do I inject?The sample suggests injecting every 4th day.I would like to run 500mg test E a week for 10 weeks. My stats are 28years old, 1.83m, 90kg, 11% body fat been training on and off for about 10 years

Input will be really helpful

Test-Cyp and Test-En are like pepsi and coke- same thing and the one you choose is due to personal preference. Why not extend the cycle to 12 weeks and get the most out of it? Any reason why you do not want to use an oral to frontload?

I would just like to see how I respond to test on its own.I was also thinking about maybe extending it to 12 weeks.Thats why I am looking for some input to help finalize my cycle.

O okay I see! Yes that is fine bud. I would extend it to 12 weeks, and bridge with winstrol or anavar depending on your goals. Remember that you need an AI on hand in case of signs of gyno.

Was planning on keeping letro on hand incase of gyno and also thinking of bridging with anavar or winstrol at the end of my cycle.From what week would you run anavar or winstrol?

Also guys would like to know how do you combat face bloat?Do you just huge letro also when it starts to show?

I would run the Anavar 8 weeks before the start of PCT and the Winstrol from the day of your last pin. The reason why people normally bloat in the face is due to D-Bol. You should be fine dude and if it is a big deal then run Proviron throughout your cycle. Infact now that I think about it you should do that in any case.

Pyroclasm wrote: I would run the Anavar 8 weeks before the start of PCT and the Winstrol from the day of your last pin. The reason why people normally bloat in the face is due to D-Bol. You should be fine dude and if it is a big deal then run Proviron throughout your cycle. Infact now that I think about it you should do that in any case.

definately wont advise relying on proviron as an AI on a dbol/test cycle, particuallry if its your first one and you have not yet gauged you sensitivity to oestrogen. You need to either have some adex/letro on hand to combat any estrogen-related side effects. While letro is feasible, I would highly recommend adex. Letro is harsh as it practially elimates all estrogen in your body which can bugger around both the strength and size gains you may get off a cycle. also, it has an adverse effect on your cholesterol, libido, and takes much longer to actually take effect when used.

While more expensive on the bl;ack market, adex is a much better and safer option and you will get so much more out of your cycle as compared to using letro.

Pyroclasm wrote: I would run the Anavar 8 weeks before the start of PCT and the Winstrol from the day of your last pin. The reason why people normally bloat in the face is due to D-Bol. You should be fine dude and if it is a big deal then run Proviron throughout your cycle. Infact now that I think about it you should do that in any case.

My friend ran a test only cycle and his face got so fat that he looked like a different person and he was around 6 % bodyfat, only his face bloated up.. no dbol. Just shows you how different everyone is.

GSP wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: I would run the Anavar 8 weeks before the start of PCT and the Winstrol from the day of your last pin. The reason why people normally bloat in the face is due to D-Bol. You should be fine dude and if it is a big deal then run Proviron throughout your cycle. Infact now that I think about it you should do that in any case.

definately wont advise relying on proviron as an AI on a dbol/test cycle, particuallry if its your first one and you have not yet gauged you sensitivity to oestrogen. You need to either have some adex/letro on hand to combat any estrogen-related side effects. While letro is feasible, I would highly recommend adex. Letro is harsh as it practially elimates all estrogen in your body which can bugger around both the strength and size gains you may get off a cycle. also, it has an adverse effect on your cholesterol, libido, and takes much longer to actually take effect when used.

While more expensive on the bl;ack market, adex is a much better and safer option and you will get so much more out of your cycle as compared to using letro.

Great advice GSP, +1

GSP wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: I would run the Anavar 8 weeks before the start of PCT and the Winstrol from the day of your last pin. The reason why people normally bloat in the face is due to D-Bol. You should be fine dude and if it is a big deal then run Proviron throughout your cycle. Infact now that I think about it you should do that in any case.

definately wont advise relying on proviron as an AI on a dbol/test cycle, particuallry if its your first one and you have not yet gauged you sensitivity to oestrogen. You need to either have some adex/letro on hand to combat any estrogen-related side effects. While letro is feasible, I would highly recommend adex. Letro is harsh as it practially elimates all estrogen in your body which can bugger around both the strength and size gains you may get off a cycle. also, it has an adverse effect on your cholesterol, libido, and takes much longer to actually take effect when used.

While more expensive on the bl;ack market, adex is a much better and safer option and you will get so much more out of your cycle as compared to using letro.

I advised to take Proviron to help with the bloat. The rest is all your power of assumption..

@Manery: Yes that's true hey! Really amazing!

Pyroclasm wrote:

GSP wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: I would run the Anavar 8 weeks before the start of PCT and the Winstrol from the day of your last pin. The reason why people normally bloat in the face is due to D-Bol. You should be fine dude and if it is a big deal then run Proviron throughout your cycle. Infact now that I think about it you should do that in any case.

definately wont advise relying on proviron as an AI on a dbol/test cycle, particuallry if its your first one and you have not yet gauged you sensitivity to oestrogen. You need to either have some adex/letro on hand to combat any estrogen-related side effects. While letro is feasible, I would highly recommend adex. Letro is harsh as it practially elimates all estrogen in your body which can bugger around both the strength and size gains you may get off a cycle. also, it has an adverse effect on your cholesterol, libido, and takes much longer to actually take effect when used.

While more expensive on the bl;ack market, adex is a much better and safer option and you will get so much more out of your cycle as compared to using letro.

I advised to take Proviron to help with the bloat. The rest is all your power of assumption..

Why would proviron even be needed to combat estrogenic bloat when an AI is present to begin with?

I agree you won't need proviron if you are already using an AI. But one should only use an AI if there are signs of gyno. So if he shows no signs of gyno and he starts to bloat then Proviron would be a good start.

Pyroclasm wrote: I agree you won't need proviron if you are already using an AI. But one should only use an AI if there are signs of gyno. So if he shows no signs of gyno and he starts to bloat then Proviron would be a good start.

Fair enough, I still feel that anyone who is concerned with estrogenic bloat on cycle will probably be more happier relying on some adex than having to spend extra money on proviron. In my opinion, I would then rather recommend that a person who is seeking to only hold an AI on hand to prevent gyno and willing to spend some more cash on a compound which is a strong androgen such a masteron.

But as you said, proviron would be an option, but if u have adex on hand id much rather run an anti-e than go with proviron. However, this is my personal preference and I am not advocating this as law or anything like that.

DeadliftKing wrote: Hi guys I have decided to go with one of the sample cycles on this site.The beginner bulking cycle ( Dbol + Test Cyp).Only I am not planning on using dbol only test.I want to know if its ok to use test E instead of test Cyp.See there half life is almost identical.Then my other question is how often do I inject?The sample suggests injecting every 4th day.I would like to run 500mg test E a week for 10 weeks. My stats are 28years old, 1.83m, 90kg, 11% body fat been training on and off for about 10 years

Input will be really helpful

250mg (1ml) monday and thursday, assuming ur enanthate will be dosed at 250mg/ml

GSP wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: I agree you won't need proviron if you are already using an AI. But one should only use an AI if there are signs of gyno. So if he shows no signs of gyno and he starts to bloat then Proviron would be a good start.

Fair enough, I still feel that anyone who is concerned with estrogenic bloat on cycle will probably be more happier relying on some adex than having to spend extra money on proviron. In my opinion, I would then rather recommend that a person who is seeking to only hold an AI on hand to prevent gyno and willing to spend some more cash on a compound which is a strong androgen such a masteron.

But as you said, proviron would be an option, but if u have adex on hand id much rather run an anti-e than go with proviron. However, this is my personal preference and I am not advocating this as law or anything like that.

Had this same topic in another thread the other day and have to agree that if you want to keep bloat and water away adex is the way! Some people forget that even though adex works faster than letro it does not suppress estrogen as much as letro which makes it quite suitable to take during cycle as aposed to keeping it on hand! That's if you can afford it of course!

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Thanks for all the replies.Was also thinking about running proviron on cycle but as this is my first test cycle I want to see how my body reacts to test! @progr3s1v3 if you say running adex on cycle how would you run it on cycle?Would it not hinder gaims?

DeadliftKing wrote: Thanks for all the replies.Was also thinking about running proviron on cycle but as this is my first test cycle I want to see how my body reacts to test! @progr3s1v3 if you say running adex on cycle how would you run it on cycle?Would it not hinder gaims?

Firstly, what would be your reasoning to run the proviron on cycle? I see a lot of guys spending a shitload of money on proviron and I often wonder for what purpose. if its for its androgenic or SBGH-binding properties then masteron is a much better option in my opinion. Also, if you running masteron ethanate, you could probabaly get away with injecting this with your test twice a week. Again, I still believe that the results you require will pretty much be brought about my using an AI whilst on cycle. While blocking estrogen could possibly hinder agains, I think that the how much efficacy loss on a cycle could be consider negilable provided that your daily calorie intake and nutrion is sound.

As a starting dose, try run adex at around 0.25mg eod or e3d and see how your body responds to it. If you want to run the proviron, be my guest. It lowers bloat as it is chemcially similar to dht which in itself is an anatagnist for estrogen. But proviron is not an AI nor a SERM and will not prevent you frm developing gyno.

Thanks for all the replies.Was also thinking about running proviron on cycle but as this is my first test cycle I want to see how my body reacts to test! @progr3s1v3 if you say running adex on cycle how would you run it on cycle?Would it not hinder gaims?

Guys generally run adex when cutting as it can hinder gains even though it is less likely to hinder gains compared to letro! Personaly I would not run it trough a cycle but some guys do it! I have not done so myself!

I also think the water bloat thing gets ripped out of proportion, it's really not so bad and it's good for the muscle, and also very diet related! The more starch you have the more you will keep back water!

And yes proviron will keep you a bit harder even though it's not an AI.

You could also just setle for eod injections and do prop if the bloat is really such an issue.

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Ok I think I am just going to keep adex on hand incase of gyno or bloat otherwise I wont know if it is even a problem for me to begin with.Thanks for all the advice guys.Planning on starting beginning September.Will post full cycle just before and maybe some pictures so you guys can track my progress

Bud just remember that water is good for muscle growth. If your diet is squeaky clean you will pick up minimal water. Remember that AI's hinder gains so how much more reason do you need not to run it on cycle unless it's not necessary?

Pyroclasm wrote: Bud just remember that water is good for muscle growth. If your diet is squeaky clean you will pick up minimal water. Remember that AI's hinder gains so how much more reason do you need not to run it on cycle unless it's not necessary?

+1 to you pyro. I guess i am so nervous about gyno that i run an ai on my cycle as a rule of thumb