Test Prop Cycle

Hi guys

So I've been doing more research for my upcoming Test Prop cycle and I managed to stumble into a few examples of Test Prop cycles, which had different aspects to the cycle, compared to what I was thinking of.

The plan is to make use of 5x PGW Test Prop vials = 5000mg of Test Prop. Some people seem to think that instead of running Test Prop for 10 weeks, that it's best run for 8 weeks, as any longer than that diminishing gains starts to occur/gains start slowing down (not to forget 2 weeks less of EOD pinning!).

Now seeing that I want to make use of 5 vials, as I've already ordered them, and if I had to rather run the Prop for 8 weeks instead of 10 weeks, then I'd be averaging on 625mg of Test Prop per week as opposed to 525mg per week (for a 10 week cycle).

Which option would you guys choose, and why? I'm a little sceptical of other forums' opinions and trust this forum a lot more. I'm also planning on kickstarting the cycle with 30mg Dbol for 17 days, and also throwing in Tbol or Anavar starting 2 weeks after the Dbol throughout the bridge.

Please bear in mind that PURE muscle mass is the goal, and I'm having to use Test Prop for a bulker because of its short clearance times.

Sorry for the ramble, and thanks in advance guys.

8 weeks.. get in and out, boom. That's what, 1.5ml eod. Go with var, tbol two weeks after dbol will probably be fine but your liver may get annoyed, but that actually doesn't give you enough time for var.. why not just start with tbol? run it for 6 weeks then nail some proviron through the rest and smash the calories.

Sorry for the rambling, too lazy to back space and rephrase.

i agree with chapel, 8 weeks sounds good! hit the calories hard and 1.5ml eod

although in my opinion why frontload? your using test prop, it will save your liver and use that cash for some var + proviron from week 2-10

1-8 test prop 1.5ml eod
2-10 anavar 60-80mg ed (8 weeks might be a tad long, but i feel its optimal for gains, my 2c)
2-10 proviron 40-60mg ed

10 --> PCT

should give you some good quality gains provided the diet is spot on,

PoisonedPulse wrote: i agree with chapel, 8 weeks sounds good! hit the calories hard and 1.5ml eod

although in my opinion why frontload? your using test prop, it will save your liver and use that cash for some var + proviron from week 3-10

1-8 test prop 1.5ml eod
2-10 anavar 60-80mg ed (8 weeks might be a tad long, but i feel its optimal for gains, my 2c)
2-10 proviron 40-60mg ed

10 --> PCT

should give you some good quality gains provided the diet is spot on,

I like the reasoning behind this. I'm looking at a similiar cycle but haven't decided on dosage and duration yet. Will probably go with PCT2.

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MK wrote: Hi guys

So I've been doing more research for my upcoming Test Prop cycle and I managed to stumble into a few examples of Test Prop cycles, which had different aspects to the cycle, compared to what I was thinking of.

The plan is to make use of 5x PGW Test Prop vials = 5000mg of Test Prop. Some people seem to think that instead of running Test Prop for 10 weeks, that it's best run for 8 weeks, as any longer than that diminishing gains starts to occur/gains start slowing down (not to forget 2 weeks less of EOD pinning!).

Now seeing that I want to make use of 5 vials, as I've already ordered them, and if I had to rather run the Prop for 8 weeks instead of 10 weeks, then I'd be averaging on 625mg of Test Prop per week as opposed to 525mg per week (for a 10 week cycle).

Which option would you guys choose, and why? I'm a little sceptical of other forums' opinions and trust this forum a lot more. I'm also planning on kickstarting the cycle with 30mg Dbol for 17 days, and also throwing in Tbol or Anavar starting 2 weeks after the Dbol throughout the bridge.

Please bear in mind that PURE muscle mass is the goal, and I'm having to use Test Prop for a bulker because of its short clearance times.

Sorry for the ramble, and thanks in advance guys.

The longer the cycle the better mate. However, whats the point of adding in so many orals? if u looking for pure size, id just run the prop along with some dbol; however, id probably keep my dosage of dbol to around 30-40mg day for the duration of the eight week cycle and ensure that I am using it in conjunction with some liver support. Not a big fan of either var or tbol as I firmly believe that both compounds should be run at a minimum of 60g/day for best effect and this is quite heavy on pocket. Also, if running prop and dbol, ensure you have an AI on hand.

Ok no no. Not the longer the better.. And dbol for 8 weeks at 30-40mg? Are you out of your tree.

CHAPEL wrote: Ok no no. Not the longer the better.. And dbol for 8 weeks at 30-40mg? Are you out of your tree.

Apologies everyone, what I meant to say here was that when you have test dosages which are quite similar to each other, it is better to run a lower dosage over a long period of time as oppossed to running a higher dosage at a shorter duration. As was the case with MK's initial post.

Regarding the dbol, my humblest apologies. It would be very stupid to run the dbol for the duration of the eight week cycle (although I know of many guys who have done this before along the 30-40mg range) due to possible hepatoxicty. Id still recommend the dbol for a 4-week period in favour of the tbol/var

+1

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated!

The thing is, I understand that Dbol gives more profound gains than Tbol or Var which is why I initially thought of it because I want as much strength and size as I can milk out of this cycle. But come to think of it, most of Dbol's gains are water and they'll probably be lost in the end.

What I also wanted to ask was, the overall muscle gains from the addition of Dbol OR Tbol: how are they compared in your experience, or from your knowledge? ie: 4kgs of Dbol muscle vs ?kg of Tbol muscle ?

@PoisonedPulse: Thanks for your suggestion bud, but can I ask why you chose Var over Tbol? Because my goals aren't necessarily to get so vascular and lean, but more for strength and size.

Really looking forward to this cycle, hoping to make some quality gains from this as everything I try doesn't help with breaking this stuffing plateau...

MK wrote: @PoisonedPulse: Thanks for your suggestion bud, but can I ask why you chose Var over Tbol? Because my goals aren't necessarily to get so vascular and lean, but more for strength and size.

Really looking forward to this cycle, hoping to make some quality gains from this as everything I try doesn't help with breaking this stuffing plateau...

well i chose the var over tbol cause i saw in your first post you were looking for "PURE muscle" and i dont know of any other compound that gives pure quality LASTING gains like var but my appologies bud, in that case swap it out for the tbol,

although i wouldnt run the tbol for 8 weeks like the var, maybe 5-6 at max.

another choice for var was youll be on it those extra 2-3 weeks.

but if its quick size you want, dbol or tbol will be the best option, just cant be certain on how much of those oral gains you likely to keep

@ PoisonedPulse: When you say " i dont know of any other compound that gives pure quality LASTING gains like var "

Would you say that VAR is very similar in results to Primo ?

I prefer d bol run at 5 mg per 25 pounds bodyweight. 4 weeks suggested 6 weeks max.

@PoisonedP: Alright bud thanks for your opinion, helps me a lot looking at it from a different perspective! +1

My only concern with Var is that, when on Test, in order to be able to properly notice its effect I'll have to be taking up to 80mg a day. So doing the math, that adds up to be very expensive for a few good gains, and I'd rather save up for the next cycle.

I thought liver toxicity wasn't bad with Tbol, and that it could be run up to 8 weeks? I understand that when compared to Var, it's slightly more hepatoxic, but I've read about Tbol being recommended for 8 weeks on this forum a few times before.

I can get Var and Tbol for the same price, so I think I'll opt for the Tbol and I really want to run it for up to 8 weeks, but if that's a stupid plan and I can find evidence on the net that proves this, then I'll stick to 6 weeks of Tbol followed by 4 weeks of Proviron (incl. bridge period).

@MxT: Sorry bud, only seen your comment now... Can I ask why you would choose 4-6 weeks of Dbol (@40mg for my weight) instead of Tbol or even Anavar? My goals aren't to blow up with water and then lose more than half of it when I stop.

I'm looking for size, but size that I can keep. Which is why I might have to drop the Dbol idea completely and look at the next best available option; either Tbol or Anavar. But I would really like to hear your reason for you choice, maybe you can convince me otherwise

Have you thought about throwing npp into the equation... I would if had a few cycles under my belt.

Samurai_X wrote: @ PoisonedPulse: When you say " i dont know of any other compound that gives pure quality LASTING gains like var "

Would you say that VAR is very similar in results to Primo ?

sorry bud i meant in terms of orals, and iv never tried oral primo, so i cant accurately say bud, gains should be similar i can imagine, but maybe someone with experience can give us an input

MK wrote: @PoisonedP: Alright bud thanks for your opinion, helps me a lot looking at it from a different perspective! +1

My only concern with Var is that, when on Test, in order to be able to properly notice its effect I'll have to be taking up to 80mg a day. So doing the math, that adds up to be very expensive for a few good gains, and I'd rather save up for the next cycle.

I thought liver toxicity wasn't bad with Tbol, and that it could be run up to 8 weeks? I understand that when compared to Var, it's slightly more hepatoxic, but I've read about Tbol being recommended for 8 weeks on this forum a few times before.

I can get Var and Tbol for the same price, so I think I'll opt for the Tbol and I really want to run it for up to 8 weeks, but if that's a stupid plan and I can find evidence on the net that proves this, then I'll stick to 6 weeks of Tbol followed by 4 weeks of Proviron (incl. bridge period).

thats unfortunately true bud, rather pricey :pinch: look iv never tried tbol yet, so it could be beneficial if you can extend it for those 8 weeks, ill be interested to know

@Manery: I wish I could bud, but I may be subject to testing which is why I want to avoid NPP for now. Also I'm not that experienced AAS wise personally, so will wait it out until my next cycle.

Trust me, if I could run the beginner bulk I would, but that's unfortunately not an option for me which is why I'm looking for the next best available option.

@PP: Ok bud, will let you know. Regarding the orals, its either Dbol for 2-3 weeks & then Tbol for 5-6 weeks (incl. bridge), with a 2 week break between OR Tbol straight for 8 weeks with Proviron for last 4 weeks (incl. bridge).

I might end up with the second option, but I've already ordered the Dbol so not quite sure what to do. Thinking of saving it because I think the liver toxicity of 8 weeks Tbol is less than that of the Dbol-Tbol option.

Ramble over.

Just read through this thread again - shit I was being a mullet, sorry everyone.

Ok so I've made up my mind (finally) and am just gonna make the most of this cycle. Will rather use the Tbol over the Anavar (for extra size) and over the Dbol (for better quality gains).

Week 1-8: 150mg Test Prop EOD
Week 1-8: 60mg Tbol
Week 7-10: 40-50mg Proviron

Week 11: 100mg Clomid
Week 12-15: 20mg Nolva

*Pulsing hCG @500iU EOD throughout the bridge
*Keeping Adex on hand

Goal: pack on as much muscle as I possibly can.

Thanks everyone for all your suggestions, I will be starting in September some time - can't wait :woohoo:

Sounds good to me bro! But then again it's test week so cleaning the pool sounds good to me..

Hahaha, good luck bro!