Short Ester Lean Bulking?

MK
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03 Jul 2012 16:37 - 03 Jul 2012 16:42 #111645 by MK

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Hi guys

Can short ester cycles be used for bulking without 19-nors for example? If wanting to pick up as much muscle as I can, which of the following would you run?

Option 1 8 or 10 weeks Test Prop

Week 1-8/10: 500mg Test Prop each week
Week 1-4/5: 40-50mg Dbol & 40mg Proviron each day [4-5 Weeks Dbol]
Week 5/6-10/12: 50mg Anavar each day [6-7 Weeks Anavar]
Week 11/13: PCT no.2

Option 2 8 or 10 weeks Test Prop

Week 1-8/10: 500mg Test Prop each week
Week 1-10: 40mg Dbol & 40mg Proviron
Week 10/12: PCT no.2

I've read that Anavar can take up to 21 days to reach peak concentration levels. Would 5 weeks @ 50mg ED be too little?

ADD: I decided on Test Prop because I can't run a longer cycle for certain reasons, but want to use the cycle as a bulking cycle. Instead of wasting my time and money, I'm waiting til next year some time when I can run a proper long ester Test cycle successfully. Any suggestions would be much appreciated

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gorilla
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03 Jul 2012 17:08 #111651 by gorilla

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10 weeks test prop with 6 weeks dbol or 3-4 weeks naps 50mg either option and proviron right through @40-50mg daily would be my choice.

And I wouldnt do ester for so long hey dude.

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MK
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03 Jul 2012 17:17 - 03 Jul 2012 17:19 #111653 by MK

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A bit nervous to try Naps especially with the Progesterone gyno that can occur. And because I'm new to Test Prop, if gyno occurs I won't know what is causing it.

Also what about the remaining 6 weeks of the cycle (incl. 2 week bridge)?

Also what do you mean about your last sentence bro?

ADD: Would 5 weeks Dbol followed by 7 weeks of Anavar be too hectic for my liver?

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Eidolon
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03 Jul 2012 17:25 #111655 by Eidolon

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gorilla wrote: And I wouldnt do ester for so long hey dude.

Come again?

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03 Jul 2012 17:44 #111656 by Muscleaddict

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Eidolon wrote:
gorilla wrote: And I wouldnt do ester for so long hey dude.

Come again?

Unless Ester is still begging for it, then keep doing her. :lol:

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03 Jul 2012 17:53 #111657 by Muscleaddict

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MK, What brand of var is it? Sure var does take a while but 50mg var for 40 days will still give you worthwhile results. Did you choose var over winny because of the sides or what?

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gorilla
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03 Jul 2012 17:54 #111658 by gorilla

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL @ muscleaddict...

I mean orals! Lol esters means orals

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MK
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03 Jul 2012 19:20 #111663 by MK

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@Muscleaddict: Well as it stands, I'm currently planning on 8 weeks of Test Prop (500mg/week).

Then will be running 50mg Dbol for the first 10 days followed by 25 days of 40mg Dbol (5 weeks).

As I finish the Dbol I will do 5 further weeks of Oraltec Anavar @ 60mg (not 50mg as previously stated). That will include my bridge period. However thinking of lowering that dose and running the Var 2 weeks longer with an extra 2 weeks of Test Prop.

Will be choosing the Var over Winstrol because of the awesome strength gains and lean mass that comes with it, not forgetting that its hepatoxicity is mild.

Do you think running orals that long consecutively is a bad idea? Should I maybe take a 2 week break between the Dbol and the Anavar for example?

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MASSMONSTA
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04 Jul 2012 17:29 #111759 by MASSMONSTA

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why dont you just do a test prop and tren ace cycle for 6-8 wks followed by docs PCT, im sure youll get much better gains than from the above mentioned. Just my opinion or wat i would do?

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Heretic47
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04 Jul 2012 17:49 - 04 Jul 2012 17:52 #111762 by Heretic47

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MASSMONSTA wrote: why dont you just do a test prop and tren ace cycle for 6-8 wks followed by docs PCT, im sure youll get much better gains than from the above mentioned. Just my opinion or wat i would do?

lol, for his first "proper" cycle?

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MK
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04 Jul 2012 18:02 #111764 by MK

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@MASSMONSTA: Appreciate the suggestion bro, but don't think I'll ever touch Tren. I've heard plenty about the side effects, and to me it just doesn't seem worth it.

Also like Heretic said, it's gonna be the first time I do things properly...

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MK
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04 Jul 2012 18:09 #111766 by MK

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All I really want to know is, is it stupid to run 5 weeks of Dbol @ 40mg followed by 7 weeks of Var @ 60mg.

The reason I'm asking is because I'm pretty confused after reading different people's opinions on Anavar's hepatoxicity. Just want to be safe whilst benefitting from the cycle as much as possible.

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MASSMONSTA
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04 Jul 2012 18:17 #111767 by MASSMONSTA

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Heretic47 wrote:
MASSMONSTA wrote: why dont you just do a test prop and tren ace cycle for 6-8 wks followed by docs PCT, im sure youll get much better gains than from the above mentioned. Just my opinion or wat i would do?

lol, for his first "proper" cycle?

@heretic47 - i didnt see him say anything about "first proper cycle" and i surely wudnt advise a newbie(if i may put it that way) to go on tren for a 1st "proper" cycle

@MK- im not sure but, arent you the 1 that posted a thread about doing a test E and EQ cycle not too long ago?

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MK
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04 Jul 2012 20:43 #111798 by MK

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Yes I was bro, but that was when I thought I had enough time to do it this year. Things have come up this year that's gonna prevent me from being able to do a full long ester Test cycle which is why I have chosen Prop.

Would have loved to do a longer cycle, but I don't want to do it half-heartedly and would rather save up and do it properly when I have enough time.

That's why I have decided to give Prop a go. Quick to kick in, short bridge period, faster recovery, quick to get out. Prop is gonna suit me a whole lot better given my time constraints.

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gorilla
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05 Jul 2012 12:04 #111847 by gorilla

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Hey MK.

I read another thread by I think crossfitninja and dj made him do 8 or 10 weeks TBOL...

Maybe 8 weeks prop and tbol with tbol for another 2 weeks bridge.

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MK
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05 Jul 2012 12:24 #111852 by MK

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Howzit Gorilla.

Thanks for letting me know that, appreciate it. That is a very good idea, I mentioned it in my back-to-back orals thread.

I think after doing some research I'm gonna stick to 10 weeks of Test Prop, especially seeing that it fits into my time constraints. Maybe if I start the Tbol in week 3 and run it for 10 weeks at like 50-60mg?

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05 Jul 2012 13:45 #111868 by Halfhuman08

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What's ur injection protocol gonna be? U want to inject prop 5days(almost every day) a week for 10 weeks for a 1st cycle.. If u don't mind the pain and what something that clears quickly ,why not do test suspension.

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MK
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05 Jul 2012 14:09 #111874 by MK

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Protocol will be Mon-Wed-Fri, doing 1.7ml-1.6ml-1.7ml. I know it's not the best but a few guys on the site have said that it's okay to do it that way.

Isn't Test Suspension required at several pins each day?

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gorilla
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05 Jul 2012 17:42 #111939 by gorilla

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I wouldnt do that though bro, prop should take a while to kick in so rather do this?

Week 1-10: Prop
Week 1-3: Tbol
Week 2-4: NO ORALS and gooi the liv support
Week 5-10: Tbol again

Sounds weird bro, but im just tryin to structure it around your needs..

Lets go!

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MK
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05 Jul 2012 19:13 #111951 by MK

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I'm not saying you're wrong, but just from what I've read on this site, Prop only takes 1.5 to 2 weeks to reach peak concentration levels.

Also isn't Tbol similar to Anavar in which it takes around 21 days just to reach peak concentration? I'm asking because I literally don't know, but I have the idea that it takes a while before you start seeing results from the Tbol.

But I appreciate your help bro, although if I run Tbol I'd like to run it for a set duration without a break halfway.

Are you saying you wouldn't do 10 weeks Tbol, but rather 8 weeks of it?

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gorilla
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05 Jul 2012 19:46 #111953 by gorilla

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No sorry dude, I mistyped this is what I mean, I think tbol's effects are like dbol after 3-4 days you feel it...

Week 1 - 10: Prop
Week 1 - 3: Tbol
Week 5 - 12: Tbol

So 10 weeks tbol, but your bridging with it as well..

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MK
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05 Jul 2012 20:02 #111956 by MK

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I like the idea of that, but do you think that 2 week break will be sufficient for my liver?

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gorilla
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05 Jul 2012 20:07 #111959 by gorilla

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The goal for the break isnt to save your liver lol, mostly budget and then you have a bridge...It still adds up to 10 weeks orals which imo is the limit..

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Kkkyle
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05 Jul 2012 20:13 #111962 by Kkkyle

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I love the sound of a short ester cycle but its just so expensive that my student budget doesn't allow for it

Love the buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! :evil:

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MK
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05 Jul 2012 20:23 #111964 by MK

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@Gorilla: Haha oh my bad. Yeah things are pretty pricey, as I'm gona have to get 5 vials of Prop! Luckily enough I've been saving since February so I have enough to run a proper cycle.

@Kyle: I know your pain bud, been living off brown rice and chicken for like 4 months every day to afford the cycle haha!

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