Preparing for my 2nd Cycle. Your thoughts? Primo?

Ok guys so I want some help putting together my next cycle. This will only be in about 3 months time, but the gear I am looking at using (Primo Ethanate) comes with quite a price tag so I need to make sure that the dosages I go for are good and that I also don't overdo it a bit.

My initial draft looked like this:


week 1 - 4 : T-bol 60mg (as a frontload)

week 1 - 14: Test prop 100mg EOD

week 4 - 14: Masteron Prop 100mg EOD

week 1 - 14: Primobolan Enan 700mg per week

week 1 - 14: 500mg Equi

PCT - Doctari

To which Dj responded :

DJ wrote: bud from your first cycle of just prop and tbol to this, u are way off the mark bud, u are adding in another 1.6g of gear a week roughly from what you have just done, also 700mg of primo a week and 500mg equi? i think 350mg of equi and 300mg a week and 300-450mg of test a week is all u need in my mind for a second cycle!

I Value DJ's input and have therefore decided to abandon the first draft and get some help designing a new "super cycle"

Basically I want the best cycle that I can possibly get that will give great lean muscle as well as improve my strength whilst not hurting my cardio too much (this is because I do crossfit and MMA now. I am happy to move up in weight class). I also want to use something that will allow me to keep as much of the strength and lean gains as possible after I finish the cycle (is this too much to ask?)

I've heard fantastic things about Primo Enan and I presume that at it's price, it must be pretty good. I've seen some people talk about it like it is a wonder steroid. Do you agree or disagree? Is it worth the price?

It also seams that I might be a little gyno sensitive so please keep that in mind. Should I take HCG throughout my next cycle, if so at what dosage? I have some Letro on hand but that stuff is evil and I'd prefer never to use that again. So I'll be buying some Adex or whatever else is suggested.

I want to get the most out of this cycle whilst being prepared for any mishaps.

Fire away boys

Please guys, help me create my SUPER CYCLE. I have a few months to save up, so I'm willing to damage my bank balance a bit on this one if need be.

Why are you using tbol as a frontload? kind of defeats the point of using prop for 14 weeks, when you could just use a long ester and frontload with tbol and use it the way its intended.. just something to think about. I would swop the prop for cyp/enth.

My 2 cents:

Test prop is great to keep that water off and for lean mass gains. Test prop kicks in after about a week so there is no need for a T-Bol frontload. Also 14 weeks of prop is way too long for a second cycle. Either change your test to Test-En or Test-Cyp and then you can keep your frontload. Why not shorten your cycle to 8 weeks? That way you have 7 golden weeks of testosterone. If you shorten the cycle then all of the longer esters won't work so they are out.

Thanks guys.

Feel free to totally discard the above cycle and suggest a completely new one. If you feel there are better compounds out there, let me know please.

How about this:

Week 1-5: Test Prop @ 100mg EOD (Frontload)
Week 1-15: Test-En @ 500mg/week
Week 1-12: EQ @500mg/week
Week 1-2: Proviron @40mg ED
Week 3-PCT: Proviron @60mg ED
Bridge you can choose yourself

This is just lean mass with no water retention. I would not use winstrol in my bridge because you are doing MMA so your joints will kak.

To be honest u do not need such high primo doses, why not just do 640mg super test and 400mg primo a week, that's all u will need to be honest, run proviron through out...that will be better and still give u something to move up to next cycle.so. 15 weeks of 640mg supertest and 400mg primo is all u will need with something like tbol to load the first 6 weeks.u have just done a cycle where u learnt to crawl,now learn to walk before u run and the sprint.

Sounds good pyro but I would use PGW so test enth would be 600 MG.

DJ wrote: To be honest u do not need such high primo doses, why not just do 640mg super test and 400mg primo a week, that's all u will need to be honest, run proviron through out...that will be better and still give u something to move up to next cycle.so. 15 weeks of 640mg supertest and 400mg primo is all u will need with something like tbol to load the first 6 weeks.u have just done a cycle where u learnt to crawl,now learn to walk before u run and the sprint.

Sounds like a really good cycle. Will have good gains from that for sure.

Thanks for your insight guys. Does anyone that has had experience with Primo mind sharing their thoughts on it. What were gains like etc. Where you happy with it and is it something you would use in a cycle again and something you would recommend?

Same goes for Masteron. Good, bad, average?

Really? no one ?

Hey bud

I am the one who suggested the cycle to you so let me try justify my reasons...

First of all this cycle is very similar to one I do and I have gotten some great lean results from it. I admit that it is quite a heavy and advanced cycle for a second cycle however the cycle doesn't have any really androgenic compounds except for test which is at a low dosage. Primo and mast are two of the "safest" compounds and their side-effects are almost non-existant. It would be a general recommendation to keep your first few cycles simple and a simple test/eqi or test/primo cycle will suffice but if you have some experience and are not too young then I can see no problem with it.

I am sensitive to testosterone sides especially water weight so the primo is used at a higher dosage (700mg) and the test is kept relatively low. I keep it in the mix to make sure I get out of any libido issues caused from any HPTA shutdown from the Primo and Equi. The primo at this dosage also seems optimal and any less seems to be too little in my experience.

The masteron will also keep water weight down and harden up gains as well as giving good vascularity. The equi will also bring out vascularity and give some nice lean muscle gains. I find it to be one of the best all round compounds in terms of muscle gains, strength gains with minimal water retention.

The choice of test prop over test enan or cyp is purely subjective. I prefer short ester test over the others due to its better water weight properties but test is test and enan or cyp could be used. The T-bol is used for a frontload to elevate levels even quicker than just using prop. Another option for frontload would be doubling test prop dosage for the first couple of days.

As a whole this is a cycle that will give really dry gains due to the low estrogen conversion from the compounds. This means no need for an AI and one can be safe to say that there will be no water retension, gyno, acne etc while at the same time giving some decent size and strength.

Thanks for the response bro. What you say makes a lot of sense.

What is the recommended bodyfat% that one should be at when running primo?